2013 Stanford Invitational

A Step Up in Distance, Milers Still in their Comfort Zone

A Step Up in Distance, Milers Still in their Comfort Zone

Mar 25, 2013 by Mitch Kastoff
A Step Up in Distance, Milers Still in their Comfort Zone
     Preview: The Stanford Invitational Men's 5000m


The second base phase is over. Whether you’re a Once A Runner summer romantic or more of a Rocky IV winter training type, those snowy miles will carry you through the long, arduous season.

Before the milers switch over from the imperial distance to the metric one, why not showcase some of that winter strength? At the Stanford Relays, there’ll be a few 1500m runners stepping up for an early season 5000m.

For some, it’s a recent trend in American distance running. For others, it’s a long overdue debut.

This sort of race is penciled in every year for Indiana’s Andy Bayer. Coming off indoors, a 5k in Palo Alto is the norm for the reigning NCAA 1500m champion.

“We kind of train like 1500/5k guys so I have a decent amount of strength,” Bayer said in a phone interview. “We have a couple of other guys from Indiana running: Andrew Poore, Ben Hubers, and Zach Mayhew. I’d like to think that we can get that group together and maybe run go under 13:30.”

It would be new territory for all four former and current Hoosiers, but it may also be an indicator for Bayer’s future. He’s consistently had success at this distance at this time.

Bayer’s Stanford Invitational 5000m Results
Year Time  Place 
2010 13:45.75 6th 
2011 13:32.74 1st 
2012 13:33.25 6th 


Bayer will usually run one more 5000m at the Big 10 Championships, but then it’s all 1500s from there. It’s hard to argue switching events after placing first at NCAAs and fourth at the U.S. Olympic Trials last year, but why not try both?



“This year, the 5000m is after the 1500m so I guess if I had run something very well and the 1500m is looking good I could potentially double, which is something we’ve talked about if I’m feeling good. It’s still tough because the 1500m final is an hour and a half before the 5000m at NCAAs.”

The double would tough, to say the very least. Even if you mention Lawi Lalang’s epic one-two this indoor season, there’s less than an hour between the two finals. But to even consider trying both at Nationals, Bayer says it would take something special this weekend.

“I guess if I run 13:15 this weekend, I’d definitely think about it. It’s so early that it’s hard to tell what we’ll be doing at NCAAs. Obviously, the 1500m is what we’re thinking about right now, but it could be the 5000m.”

One trend that we talked about here at Flotrack HQ is the rise of the 1500/5000m types. We’re starting to see more milers find success at triple the distance rather than drop down to half the distance.

Though there are pure middle-distance runners who can compete near the top at both the 800/1500 like Andrew Wheating, Leo Manzano, and Robby Andrews, more milers are eventually making the step up to the 5k.

Take a look at the Schumacher Clan. In the past, Evan Jager, Andrew Bumbalough, Alan Webb, Lopez Lomong, and German Fernandez were all considered milers. Fernandez was an NCAA champion who ran the 5000m at the U.S. Championships later that season. Webb is the American record holder who doesn’t have the 1:43 speed anymore. Lomong is an anomaly, but is more competitive on the world stage at the 5k than the 800m.



But Bayer isn’t done with the mile, yet. “Potentially, I’ll move up more to the 5000m in the next few years, but I don’t feel like I’ve passed my 1500m potentially at all. I’d like to think that I can be sub-3:35.”

He added, “I’d say right now, I’m going to stick with the 1500m for a while, but we’ll definitely jump in a few 5ks here and there.”

Bayer isn’t the only miler to start off the spring with a 5000m. Other “milers” on the start list include Columbia’s Mark Feigen, Wisconsin’s Rob Finnerty, Stanford’s Tyler Stutzman, and Craig Miller. In the same vein as Bayer, the three collegians have had all considerable success at much longer distances (mainly cross country). The 5000m is a happy medium that could star as their main event in the future.

Name 1500m PR Place at XC Nationals
Andy Bayer 3:39.95 N/A
Mark Feigen 3:43.11 61st
Rob Finnerty 3:41.07 3:38.60 49th
Tyler Stutzman 3:40.53 36th at Wisco


While those four know what to expect in the 5k (based off cross country fitness), this is unchartered territory for Notre Dame’s Jeremy Rae.

Rae was hurt towards the end of indoors, so it’ll be hard to predict his current fitness. But if his breakout fall (also cut short by injury at the very end of the season)  is any sort of indicator, he could very well be in the mix. A guy who's run 3:40.93 and took 14th at the Wisconsin Invitational could be deadly.

Then there’s Stanford Michael Atchoo. He found a new set of wheels this indoor season, but doesn’t really have the strength for the longer stuff. This’ll be a ride for him. He's run 3:57.14 for the mile, but only took 30th at the West Regional this past fall.

Edit: Forgot to mention Wisconsin's Alex Hatz. This'll be his 5000m debut, too.

The 5000m will make sense for some of this group only if the pace is hot. It could dawdle, but fields at Stanford rarely let the good weather go to waste. We may be caught up in the excitement of these milers, but there are pure 5000m guys in the race. Good ones, too.

via TFRRS.org

Name School Personal Best
Bolota Asmerom Unattached 13:15.16 ('07)
Michael Atchoo Stanford N/A
Andrew Bayer Indiana 13:32.74
Alex Brill Wisconsin 14:14.02
Kemoy Campbell Arkansas 14:18.55 ('10)
Paul Chelimo UNC-Greensboro 13:21.89
Robert Cheseret U.S. Army 13:13.23 ('05)
Jeramy Elkaim Oregon 13:39.35
Mark Feigen Columbia 14:25.97 ('11)
Rob Finnerty Wisconsin 14:15.81
Mike Fout FSU 13:46.19 ('11)
Thomas Gruenewald BYU 14:17.26
Solomon Haile Arkansas 13:58.03 ('10)
Martin Hehir Syracuse 14:01.60
Ben Hubers Unattached 13:40.73 ('11)
Nate Jewkes SUU 14:08.67
Drew Jordan WSU 13:59.25
Stanley Kebenei Arkansas 13:42.15
Leonard Korir Global Sport 13:19.54
Elliot Krause Wisconsin 13:41.67
Brian Leung Wisconsin 14:09.82
Zachary Mayhew Indiana 13:46.04
Matt McElroy NAU 14:08.34
Craig Miller New Balance 13:50.40 ('10)
Breandan O'Neill FSU 13:41.56
Luis Orta Kentucky 14:02.45
Andrew Poore adidas 13:37.03 ('11)
Sean Quigley Boulder Track 13:27.17 ('09)
Jeremy Rae Notre Dame N/A
Joe Rosa Stanford 13:58.74
Anthony Rotich UTEP 13:38.58
David Sanchez Adams State 14:02.98
Brian Shrader NAU 14:33.02
Andrew Springer Georgetown 13:48.74
Parker Stinson Oregon 13:39.22
Max Storms Missouri 14:14.20
Tyler Stutzman Stanford 14:04.80 ('11)
Kevin Williams Oklahoma 13:38.57
Futsum Zienasellassie NAU 14:36.20
   

Things to Note

  • It’s probably a safe bet that Arkansas’ Kemoy Campbell and NAU’s Futsum Zienasellassie are going to set a new PRs. Ever since their arrival in NCAA, the two have been on a roll.
  • Speaking of the Lumberjackers, they have four entered in the men’s 5000m. This is just another reminder to not sleep on them this fall (when they return their whole squad).
  • Seeing Brian Leung in a Wisconsin jersey is going to be sort of weird. Imagine if they had him for cross country?
  • It’ll be interesting to see what Leonard Korir (8:22.44 2-mile and 61:19 Half, both in NYC this winter), Sean Quigley (welcome back to the track), and Robert Cheseret (also welcome back) can do Friday night.