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The Big Three and How Their Successors Stack Up

Justin Kopunek | Profile
January 27, 2009


The Big Three: Dathan Ritzenhein, Ryan Hall and Alan Webb.

In the wake of a new World Indoor Junior Mile Record this past weekend and with the anticipation of the National Junior Cross-Country Championships rapidly increasing, it seems that a group of teenagers are quickly asserting themselves as stars in the running world. The High School graduating class of 2008 had drawn many comparisons to the class of 2001 and "the Big Three." The Names Dathan Ritzenhein, Ryan Hall, and Alan Webb are now preceded by the phrases "American Record Holder" and "Olympian," so it is difficult to remember a time when they were simply "Big Bear Lake Senior" or "Colorado Freshman." They were the class of '01 and they bece benchmark to which future grades would be measured against. Before we hastily pronounce this current class of college frosh as their successors, let us first reflect on the achievements of the now 26 year old harriers, when they were young [cue The Killers].

Dathan "Ritz" Ritzenhein broke onto the national high school scene as a sophomore from Rockford, MI, when he placed 8th at the Foot Locker Championships and won the Outdoor 2-mile national title. He would go on to win both those events in his junior and senior years. Only 2 boys have ever won multiple Foot Locker crowns and Ritz did so running the two fastest winning times in meet history. As a junior he beat a foursome of formidable seniors in Don Sage, Ian Dobson, Josh Rohatinsky and Matt Tegenkamp. On the track, Ritz also set the National Junior Class Record for 3,200/2-miles with an 8:41.1(m). In his senior year, after defending his Foot Locker title against Webb and Hall, Ritz qualified for the IAAF World Junior Cross-Country Championships by placing second to Tegenkamp, a Wisconsin frosh, at Nationals. At Worlds, the 18 year-old placed a remarkable 3rd (Bekele won and Teg was 5th). I can not overstate how big of an accomplishment any American grabbing a distance medal at a World Championship is, let alone for a HS Senior. It was the first time since 1981 that an American male was on the podium at the meet. With little time to get ready for track, Ritz managed to win his 3rd consecutive Outdoor 2-Mile National crown, winning by 14 seconds. He also made an assault on Gerry Lindgren's HS 5,000 record of 13:44.0. At the 2001 USA Track and Field Championships, he ran a 13:44.7, just missing the record. As he moved on to college at the University of Colorado, Ritz graduated being undefeated against high school runners for over 2 years.

His first year as a Buffalo, Ritzenhein lived up to expectations. At the NCAA XC Champs he finished 4th, the third best finish by a true freshman in history. Ritz bypassed improving on his World Junior Bronze medal by running in the Senior race at the USA Cross Country Champs. He made the team and placed 24th at Worlds as a college frosh. In the spring, he placed 4th in the NCAA 5k, wrapping up a stellar freshman campaign.

Meanwhile, in California, a Big Bear Lake standout was quietly making headlines of his own. As a junior, Ryan Hall won the CA State meet 3,200 in 8:55 and Outdoor Nationals in 4:06 for the mile. That following fall, the senior broke the Mt. Sac course record, which was held by 2-mile record holder Jeff Nelson. He followed that up by defending his XC state championship and placing 3rd to Ritz and Webb at Foot Locker. In the spring, Hall would run a phenomenal 3:42.7 for 1,500m in an open meet at Stanford, the third best time by a prep in history. He would cap off his senior season, in which he boasted a personal best of 4:00.52 for 1,600m, by competing in the 1,500 at the USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships. At Stanford, Hall would red-shirt track his freshman year.

As quick as Hall's 4:00.52 is, it was only the US#2 amongst the HS ranks in 2001. The US leader, as you all know, was Alan Webb. As a student at South Lakes High School in Virginia, Webb gained the type of notoriety that few high school athletes, let alone runners, ever come close to. His high school accomplishments can be recited by any true track fan or teenage harrier during the 2000's; He set the Sophomore Class Mile Record in 4:06.94. At Foot Locker Cross, he was 8th as a junior and runner-up as a senior. He became the first high school student to break 4-minutes in the mile indoors, running 3:59.86. Webb went on to win the Nike Indoor National 2-mile in 8:45 (USHS #3 All Time) by 12 seconds over future college roommate, Nate Brannen. In addition, he set a National Indoor HS Record at 1,000m (2:23.68), ran a #4 all time prep 800 (1:47.74) and anchored a US HS record for the DMR (9:47.7). The most renowned performance, of course, came at the 2001 Prefontaine Classic in which Webb shattered Jim Ryun's High School mile record with a 3:53.43 run.

As a freshman at Michigan, Webb would win the Big 10 XC title and finish 11th at the NCAA Champs. On the track, Webb nursed a sore Achilles indoors and came back to finish a close 4th in the NCAA 1,500 and have a 3:41 season best.

Since these titans of the track moved on to the professional realm, a few high school stars have captivated fans in a similar way (Solinsky, Rupp, Acosta, Centrowitz), but the class as a whole had not been matched. That was until 2008. How does the class of '08 stack up? Let's take a look...

  • The Mile: In '01, Webb runs a 3:53 USR and Hall runs 3:42/4:00. In '08, Rob Finnerty runs a 4:01.0 solo mile and German Fernandez runs 4:00.2 for 1,600 as the first race in an awe-inspiring double. The clock doesn't lie, the older guys have the edge
  • The Deuce: Class of '01 had Webb with an 8:45i and Ritz with an 8:41 Junior Class Record. 7 years later, Fernandez breaks the historic 2-mile record with an 8:34. Luke Puskedra has the US#2 with 8:46, followed by Colby Lowe (8:47) and Finnerty (8:50). A USR always trumps, the newbies take it.
  • The 5k: Ritz runs 13:51 and a 13:44 (US #2 and #3 All Time in '01) against collegiates and pros. In 2008, Chris Derrick runs 13:55 in early spring at Arcadia, the fastest ever in a HS only race. He is unable to improve his mark when he gets mono. The edge goes to '01 in this unfortunate 'what if' scenario for Derrick. (We can only hope whichever girl gave him mono was worth it).
  • HS XC: No need to even debate, it goes to the 2001 class. Ritz was a 2 time Foot Locker Champ with the meet record and a bronze medal at Junior Worlds (Fernandez was 25th by comparison). Ritz could possibly be the best American HS cross country runner ever and Webb and Hall were no slouches either.
  • NCAA XC: At the 2001 NCAA's, Ritz was 4th and Webb was 11th, This past fall, Puskedra was 5th, Derrick 7th, and Fernandez was a DNF. It is safe to assume that Fernandez, the Big 12 Champ, would have placed in the top 10 had he not gotten hurt in the later stages of the race. Despite Ritz having the higher finish, the '08 class had the better depth, so they get the point.
  • NCAA Track: The '01 guys have long since wrapped up their college track careers, but the class of 2008's are just beginning. If Fernandez' 3:56.5 World Junior Mile Record is any indication of what's to come, it may be a no brainer. Just some food for thought; while running his 3:56, Fernandez was only 76 days older than Webb was when he ran the HS Indoor Mile record of 3:59.8. This category is 'to be continued...'

'Ritz,' 'Hall,' 'Webb.' They were "the Big Three" with the iconic 1 syllable, 4 letter names. Its is hard to compare them to another class just based on top times. Something the class of 2008 has over its predecessor is depth. One cannot label any trio of runner's from '08 "the Big Three" because it would be impossible to pick just 3. For one, none of the guys discussed above won Foot Lockers. Mike Fout beat a 13:55 5ker, the 2-mile USR holder, a 4:01 miler, and a pair of sub 8:50 eight lappers for the FLN Crown. In 2001, the runner who placed 2nd to Ritz in the national 2-mile would not have even gotten All-American honors in the 2008 race. Additionally, the women of 2008 were equally as formidable, with Christine Babcock, Chanelle Price, and Laurynne Chetelat. The interesting thing, however, is that this amazing depth can be traced back to the US High School distance running revival that was sparked by the class of 2001. They revitalized a waning sport. Ritz, Hall, and Webb grew up in front of our eyes to become three of the most successful US distance runners of all time. They were icons for every middle school, high school, and college runner and managed to live up to the hype, and there was a lot of hype. I mean, Webb was on Letterman in high school! C'mon. The young guys of the 2008 class have the tools to have similar success. Any comparisons between the two are apt, but each runner has their own paths to follow no matter what you do as a teenager. It will be interesting to see what these runners mature into.

More Photos


The Pure Distance Guys: As true freshmen, Dathan Ritzenhein (Left), Chris Derrick (Center), and Luke Puskedra (Right) placed 4th, 7th and 5th at the 2001 and 2008 NCAA Cross Country Championships, in their respective year.

The Milers: Ryan Hall (left), as if he knew he would someday be sponsored by ASICS, runs at the 2001 USA Track Championships as a HS Senior. Also, Rob Finnerty (right) runs a 4:01.0 for the mile at the 2008 Midwest Distance Gala.

The Record Breakers: Alan Webb (left), on his way to breaking the US HS Mile Record at the 2001 Prefontaine Classic and Geman Fernandez (right) breaking the National 2-Mile record at the 2008 Nike Outdoor National meet.


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#22
Michael Machado   February 13 at 1:28pm
great article!

What I think will be interesting is to see what the class of 08 is going to do 8 years from now. 2016 Olympics. Then we could have an even better comparison.
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#21
Really   February 12 at 7:13pm
I agree that Colby would be a great addition for the team.. he really could of helped. everyone acts like he isn't all that great. He only ran a 8:46 2 mile last year .03 behind luke...
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#20
Errors   February 12 at 11:44am
Justin,

Well written and informative article. I think the confusion with Halls time comes from his converted 1500. Im not sure what conversion most people use when going from 1500 to a mile or 3k to 2 mile but I personally use 1.08 multiplier. In this case, Multiply his 3:42.7 (222.7 seconds) times 1.08...you get 240.5 seconds, which is 4:00.5. Keep the articles coming if you have more.
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#19
Hypothetical   February 12 at 11:41am
Great read. Crazy to think Hall was miler back then. It would be interesting to see if the high school version of these guys all trained for the same event, mile, 2 mile or 5k, and raced in the same race, what would happen.
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Justin Kopunek   February 12 at 10:40am
Thanks to those of you who offer some insight on what may be off a bit. I have made the proper adjustments in places. Archieved results from 2001 are spotty at best. Hall's best time is in the 1600 is tough to pin point. A few of his profiles, like Olympic/USATF say 4:00 (and they could be misinformed), we all know the 4:02 at CIF happened. It is nice to see Ryan said below he witnessed the 4:00. Also, this was written a few weeks back so that is why their is no mention of Junior Nats of Derrick's 13:44.

As for the poster directly below me, Lowe probably would have been a lock for 4th on a good day at XC Junior Nats and made a sick top 4 to bring to worlds. I think the meet scores 4 deep per team.
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#17
Nah   February 12 at 9:57am
Colby really isnt on the level of the other 3, he really isnt close actually. Lowe ran well in XC but was never within 20 seconds of German when German ran all out. This Jr. Race I would say was Germans best XC race of the year too.
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#16
Dang   February 12 at 7:37am
Great artcile.. Its to bad that Colby Lowe was sick or he would of been right there with Luke.. Could of had the Big 4
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Also Helping   February 12 at 12:54am
Ritz, not that this matters, had pulled into third place at one point during the final stages of NCAAs his freshman year, but got outkicked in the stretch.

GREAT article by the way.
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#14
Helping   February 12 at 12:49am
Just wanted to add that ritz ran 4:05.9 at his league meet his junior year hand time.
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#13
Errors   February 11 at 10:53pm
I personally liked the article, my post before was not to annoy anyone and or nitpick. I was just pointing out some simple errors, if there was one I wouldnt have said anything but there were a few. B-Mile 3:53.43 USR Webb, Alan, 2001, South Lakes Reston VA 5/27/2001, Prefontaine Classic OR, #
B-Mile 4:04.22 c Hall, Ryan, 2001, Big Bear Lake CA 6/2/2001, State Finals CA, # 1
Those were the top two listed times from the year of 2001 in the mile, Halls is a converted time from his 4:02.6 he ran at the state meet...not 4:00.5.

4:02.62 Ryan Hall, Big Bear was the listing for his california state record run (in 2001, German lowered it this past year)
I liked the article, it was good...just a few errors
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#12
Justin Britton   February 11 at 10:53pm
Great job, nice profile and article on these guys.
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#11
Webster   February 11 at 10:41pm
"The most infamous performance, of course, came at the 2001 Prefontaine Classic in which Webb shattered Jim Ryun's High School mile record with a 3:53.43 run."

-Why was his record run "infamous"? Do you even know what that means?
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#10
Doug   February 11 at 10:22pm
We can only hope whichever girl gave him mono was worth it

That just might be the funniest thing i have ever read on this site
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#9
Joshua Neyhart   February 11 at 9:46pm
really well written article. good stuff!
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Ryan Thalman   February 11 at 9:33pm
The correct time for Hall in the 1600 would be the 4:00.5. I watched it, it was at the CIF-SS either finals or masters meet held at Cerritos College. I don't know if it was that race or the prelims race that he was stuck in traffic coming down from Big Bear and barely made it in time for the race and still beat everybody by a ton (of course it was Division IV).
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Victor LeMay   February 11 at 7:30pm
I think German Fernandez has more range than all of these guys, 01 or 08.
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#6
Webb On Lettermen   February 11 at 6:58pm
I forgot about Webb on Lettermen. He hasnt changed much in terms of looks in 8 years. The other 2 deffinately have. Liked the article a lot. Good read.
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#5
Nitpick   February 11 at 6:23pm
I'm going to agree with Thomas. Errors is nit picking a little and it checked out Hall's USATF bio and it said he ran 4:00.5 his senior year in the 1600. He said he didnt run juniors in 2002, who cares if it was cause he was born on Dec 30 or June 30th, he made the senior team anyway. I agree, yes their is a difference between 3200 and 2miles ect, but thats not really the point of the article.
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#4
Greenville, SC   February 11 at 6:21pm
Ryan Hall did not redshirt the fall of his freshman year at Stanford. He ran at the National Championships in Greenville. I believe he finished in the high 30s or low 40s.
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#3
Thomas Buxton   February 11 at 6:11pm
I enjoy that all the errors were pointed out (very letsrun of you) but I think its also important to praise people as well. There are some downright BAD articles written be people on this site. I rarely look twice at them with all the grammatical errors and boring content. However, this article is really well written and, at least I think, head and shoulders above what we have seen from a lot of other columnists on here. Errors or no errors, keep 'em coming.
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#2
Errors   February 11 at 5:43pm
Ritz was not eligible for Juniors his freshman year of college, he ran the senior race because he had to. His birthday is December 30th, therefore making him unable to run juniors. He also "only" ran 8:41.1 for the 3200 his junior season, not the 2 mile. I am almost positive that Halls "mile/1600" PR is 4:02 set at his senior year state meet. His 4:00y is his converted time from his 1500 PR.
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RunDMC   January 28 at 1:50pm
Definitely more depth in the past 2 years at NON - 2mi especially.
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