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What Ranks Higher in Ranking; Time or Place?

Justin Kopunek | Profile
September 18, 2009


As the 2009 track season comes to a close and the World/US rankings for each event will be emerging soon, it makes one wonder what criteria takes precedent when ranking. For many events, who ranks #1 is clear as day. They dominate regular season meets, win the championship meets, and have the best performances of the year. Think LeShawn Merritt, Sanya Richards, Usain Bolt, Blanka Vlasic, Kenenisa Bekele, or Valerie Vili. There are others, however, who may come up big at the World Champs and be sub-par the rest of the year. One can also do the opposite and have a fantastic year with the only misstep being at the World Championships.

For some, championship races are the be-all-end-all of who is the best, but can one meet really reflect an entire season properly? In longer races, a slow, tactical race can allow people with a good kick or positioning ahead of runners who would be well ahead of them in a fast race. When it comes to field events, a slightly off day at a championship meet can be disastrous. Take Elena Isinbaeva, for example. She no heighted at the World Championships this year, but I do not think anyone would argue that she is not the best pole vaulter in the world right now. She even went on to set a new World Record after her disappointing performance in Berlin. On the other hand, being able to perform well at the season’s championship meets is a paramount trait.

There are a few events that will be quite tricky to rank this year. For US rankings, the men’s 5,000m and women’s 1,500m are two examples of this. For these two events, Americans are having the best year ever at these distances. In the 5k, two men broke 13 minutes, a feat that only a total of 2 Americans had ever accomplished before this year. On top of that, an American took silver in this event at the World Championships and he is not one of the two men under 13 this year. Dathan Ritzenhein ran an American record of 12:56.27 in his only competitive 5,000 of the season. Matt Tegenkamp became the third fastest American ever in running 12:58.56 a week later and he was the US Champion. Bernard Lagat was the top US finisher at the World Championships, placing 2nd. This makes doing the US rankings for the event a sticky situation. Ritzenhein is the fastest American ever to run the distance and that is hard to deny, but he did not run the 5,000m at any other major meets. Lagat is only the third fastest American this year, but his performance at Worlds certainly outshines his 13:03.06 season best time. Determining who fits where is not easy in this situation, On a side not, this was an absolutely phenomenal year for American men at 5,000m. In addition to the World silver, American Record and 2 men under 13 minutes, 3 Americans (Lagat, Tegenkamp, Chris Solinsky) made the finals of the event in Berlin. Only Kenya matched that number and the Americans out performed them in the finals. Two American Juniors (Chris Derrick and German Fernandez) broke the American Junior Record and Evan Jager ran 13:22.18 as only a 20 year old. Also, Galen Rupp broke the Indoor American Record for 5,000m and two high school athletes (Lukas Verzbicas and Solomon Haile) broke the National High School indoor record and the former is amazingly only a freshman. In total, an outstanding 19 American men ran under 13:30 this year, a number only outdone by Kenya.

The women’s 1,500m in the United States had a similar year. Three women broke a significant time barrier that only two American women had previously and a fourth woman medaled at the World Champs at 1,500m. Jenny Barringer (3:59.90), Christin Wurth-Thomas (3:59.98) and Anna Willard (3:59.38) became the third, fourth and fifth American women to break 4 minutes in the 1,500m. Shannon Rowbury, with a season best of 4:00.81, was the US Champ and the top finisher in Berlin with a third place performance. Barringer did not run the 15 at any major meets after Prefontaine. That will keep her low in the rankings for this event, despite the fact that she beat all the other Americans listed above at that meet. Of the three who competed at Worlds in the event, Willard has the fastest time of the year, followed by Wurth-Thomas and Rowbury, but the positions are reversed in how they placed at USAs and Worlds. This makes for a precarious ranking situation. Willard also finds herself in an interesting position for rankings in the 800m. Although she did not run the event at any championship meets, she picked up some key wins in Europe (including the World Athletics Final), is undefeated at the distance this year, and has run under 2 minutes more than any other American woman this year. Challenging her would be Hazel Clark, who is the US Champ and was the top American at Worlds, as well as, Maggie Vessey. Vessey has the fastest time of the year by an American at 1:57.84 (second fastest in the World this year behind the controversial Caster Semenya) and she had a few nice wins in Europe, but her inconsistency will bring her down a bit.

So what reigns supreme in rankings; time or place? Is Carmelita Jeter’s amazing #3 All Time 10.67 worth a #1 World Ranking over Shelly-Ann Fraser’s World Championship? Does Ritz’ American Record trump Lagat’s silver medal in the 5,000m? It is a debate that comes up every year and there is no concrete answer. With each event each year, variables come in to play that allow one to make an argument one way or another. For example, what if one does not compete in a specific event at a major championship? For example, Tyson Gay in the 200m and Willard in the 800m this year. There is no doubt their performances this year merit favorable rankings in those events, but they did not run these events at USAs or Worlds. Is running sub-par at World’s worse than not running at all in an event? This is why rankings can be tricky. I remember back in high school they had a formula set in stone for determining all county. Points were awarded for winning the county championship, having the fastest time, head-to-head victories and couple other factors. That worked decently on a small scale, but on a national and international scale do you need to use a more discerning eye?

All in all, I am glad I do not have the task of doing the year end rankings for these event, as I myself still do not know how heavily I weigh time and place. Obviously a major goal is always to beat people. Placing well at a championship means you have beat the majority of the world’s best. But with championship races, there is always the chance people could say, “It was a fluke.” Sometimes because the race went out slow, or somebody fell, somebody got DQed, or maybe certain studs were not in the race. Time is finite and you can not argue it, except perhaps commenting on the weather. When an athlete runs in a fast race it is not always about beating the people in that particular race, as much as beating ghosts of the past.

Perhaps this is an unanswerable question. Would one rather a World Record, or a World/Olympic Gold Medal? The former means you are the fastest to have ever competed in that event in history. The latter means you were the best competitor in that event that year. Put like that, the record sounds more enticing, but the medal can never be taken away. Records, however, can be broken. On the other hand, even as the former World Record Holder, you are automatically considered one of the greatest of all time. What is your opinion, which do you hold more important, time or place?



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#17
Anonymous Coward   September 21 at 4:24pm
to place is much more important than to be able to run fastest... the best runner is one that can win regardless of how the pace is set.. therefore the best runner in the world is the one who can win in the big races.. if a runner beats the world record holder in a race they are better racer and therfore a better runner.. it takes more skill to be able to race fast and win then to just run fast
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Nolan Petersen   September 19 at 11:31pm
i think that the only reason we time ourselves is to compare to others which would make place more important. unless, of course, you reach world record level but that is in a way placing yourself in history.
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Max Group   September 19 at 10:06pm
Once again, great article.
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Oh   September 19 at 7:22pm
look at it this way if the top 6 guys were to race a championship race how would they place in comparison to each other. No doubt it would play something like this

1.Lagat
2.Teg
3.Ritz
4.Solinsky
5.Jager
6.Rupp
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SteveB   September 19 at 6:12pm
Olympic Gold Medal or World Record?
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#12
Wow   September 19 at 12:21pm
richard stoliker shut the hell up
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Place Over Time   September 19 at 2:01am
Athletes who do well at the major championships tend to place higher in the year end rankings.

The major shoe companies who sponsor the top athletes put a high price tag on medalling at World and/or Olympic Championships. Much higher than a specific time based bonus.
Both of these facts support the "place is more important than time" theory
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MikeyB   September 18 at 7:45pm
95% of the time running fast (Time) is more emportnat, but there are exceptions like the Olympics, USA , NCAA , and World Championships and so on! Or it be the High School champion, but most races are not championship races it that case I would rather run a PR or fast time.
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Kyle Perry   September 18 at 7:01pm
so here is my question.
I was 4th at the US championship
I am currently 4th on the US performance list for the year.
Do you think they take into account the fact that alcorn beat me at USA's but never ran faster?
do you suppose i'll be 5th behind alcorn, bruce, mcadams, and huling? i am sure I will be 4th or 5th but I am curious what flotrack thinks.
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Richard Stoliker   September 18 at 7:00pm
"I do not think anyone would argue that she is not the best pole vaulter in the world right now." -wrong
It should be "argue that is the best pole vaulter" because it's talking about something one would not do
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Not Too Difficult To Figure   September 18 at 6:31pm
My comments below pertain to the USA rankings (not the world rankings)

This is really not that difficult of an answer. Everything should factor into the rankings, however, place & performance in head to head competition would outweigh time simply because fast times come when opportunities present themselves, but head to head competition supersedes all.
Women's Pole Vault - Elena Isinbaeva ranks number 1. Despite her dismal performance at World's, she consistantly vaults the highest and beats her competitors
Men's 5K - Lagat, Tegenkamp, Ritz in that order. Lagat has not lost to any of these men AND he placed highest at Worlds. Ritz has run the fastest, but he did not compete in this event much so we don't know how he would do against Lagat and Tegenkamp. Tegenkamp has been consistantly running strong and his time is very close to Ritz's.
Women's 1500 (this takes the most analysis) - Rowbury, Wurth-Thomas, Willard, Barringer - In head to head competition these women are very evenly matched at 1500 meters so now you have to weigh in on the importance of the meets in which they outperformed the others. Rowbury gets 1st place ranking because she beat both Wurth-Thomas and Willard at the two major championships. Wurth-Thomas over Willard because, again, she placed higher than Willard in both of the major championship meets. Barringer has not raced the event enough to rank higher. As far as times go, Wurth-Thomas and Willard had more opportunities to run sub 4 than Rowbury this year. Rowbury was in only two sub 4 races (pre and Zurich). Wurth-Thomas was in three (pre, Rome and Zurich), as was Willard (Pre, Monaco and Zurich).
Women's 800 - Willard, Vessey - Willard has not lost to Vessey. Actually, she has not lost to anyone at 800 meters.
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Jasen Mashal   September 18 at 5:57pm
time is better than place
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Same As It Ever Was   September 18 at 5:14pm
well, semenya is apparently a hermaphrodite from all the articles I'm reading. I'm not against semenya because we are born the way we are born. However, to the best of my knowledge world class athletics is only open to persons considered complete males and complete females and semenya is left out of those two recognised catergories. Intersexed persons are left........So I would not include Semenya's races when figuring the rankings ETC. I read a lot of the headlines that I find on trackandfieldnews.com and the stories.
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Alexander Hagler   September 18 at 5:12pm
a good example of this is Wilson Kipketer. The fastest man ever to run the 800m but never won that gold at the olympics. he had the fastest time but still was always beat when it came to that gold medal. so the ppl who beat him could say they beat the fastest man in the 800m. and as u said world records can be broken. so i believe place along with consistency should etch an athletes name into the rankings and as a legend
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Anonymous Coward   September 18 at 4:57pm
TACTICAL= 1LAGAT 2TEG 3RITZ

BALLS OUT= 1RITZ 2 TEG 3LAGAT
Ritz-4 Teg-4 Lagat-4
so do we value faster, more tactically savvy or consistency more?
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Anonymous Coward   September 18 at 4:46pm
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#1
Anonymous Coward   September 18 at 4:31pm
interesting, always a good read, his blog
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