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July 18, 2009

The decision to pass on a marathon this fall was a little difficult. Last fall, I was probably in the best shape of my life, but was probably just a little overtrained going into the actual race. At one point I ran a 10 mile tempo in 49:30, then came back and did the 26.2k simulation run and came through the 25k split in 1:18 (thinking to myself, how comfortable I felt). But I left the race out on the dirt roads north of Rochester. I was 11th at NYC, but never even put myself in a position to finish in the top 10. My fault, and I learned from it.

This spring, I ran Boston and the whole segment was just kinda "blah." Nothing went bad, but nothing stood out to say, "This is gonna be the one." During the race, we hit the halfway point and I was a minute slow. Things just kinda shut down after that and my usual fight was gone. I just wanted to get it over with.

At that point, after Boston I had some serious thinking to do. Do you try to continue to force the issue, which I know, is never the answer. Or, do you go back to some things that have been neglected over the last couple years.

After some thinking, I knew that the best way to continue development was to break away from becoming stagnent with the mrathon training and work on getting some of my "footspeed back." I told Kevin that between now and next spring that I wanted to PR in everything from the mile to 10k, which whouldn't be too bad. The hardest will be the mile (I've run 4:08 a couple times.) This fall, the primary goal is to make the World Half Marathon Team in England. When I was 19 I made a junior team and in 2007 I was the next in line for the IAAF World Marathon Team in Osaka (Thanks Simon for taking that spot with no intentions of making it to the starting line!) It's been a goal to wear the Red, White, and Blue and this team would be the perfect opportunity.

So, Kevn and Keith have been very receptive to some training ideas that I have had had and for the first time in some time, I feel like I am not stagnent with training. So, I don't know when I will run another marahton. I guess I don't have to, either. My 2:18:40 from Boston is good enough to qualify for the Trials in the next couple years. I think the next few months will be fun, and in the long run, it's only going to help my marathon- I am still a marathoner by trade.

-Pants



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#19
Bulldog Rico   July 22 at 8:31pm
Jeff Jackson, you need to go away. There's nothing wrong with a good healthy debate. If we all agreed, the world would be pretty boring now wouldn't it. If you don't like it, DON'T READ it and DON'T RESPOND. The Runner's World Forums are waiting for you.
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Brian Is Hanson's   July 22 at 8:28pm
mike oxlong said:
wow...can't believe you're all actually debating this. how about you name another club that has produced numerous nationally select runners....(keep thinking)......and now you will realize that there is none. Look at the times these guys are running, they are no Dathan Ritzenheins or Ryan Halls who were world class runners from the start, they work for years to get this good with the program. Would they be as good if they trained by themselves? who knows, maybe yes, maybe no, but the point is that their reputation as a whole club stands on its own. it's actually disappointing to see such disrespect for such a class-act club.
Wow...you missed the point and tripped over your own words. Running 2:14-2:16 is going to do what? It has nothing to do with being better than you or me. Dathan and Ryan were world class from the start, that much a high schooler can figure out. They have the true raw ability to do very, very well. 2:06:17 should answer that for you. You then said "they work for years to get this good with the program". Get how good friend? If you train for years and years to run 2:15ish, then you are a 2:15 marathoner. Understand, there is nothing wrong with that, but as others have stated, then what? Do you believe that even 2 of the existing group of 2:15 guys will ever run 2:11:07 (5 minute pace). Brian doesn't count, everyone has admitted that he is the one. Don't fail to mention Brian's 20k and 1/2 marathon pr's compared to other Hanson runners. Brian HAD the ability and proved it. Look at his improvement from 2004 to 2008. Look at his times on a chart and you'll see what I'm talking about. Now take Clint, Kyle, Chad, etc.....and show me the same progression, or even close to it. It's actually dissapointing to see such a disrespectful post to the others as yours is. You not living in reality land sir, you can't even admit the obvious. Take away Brian and you've got what? A club that has a group of marathoners with pr's not even close to Abdi, Hall, Meb, Culpepper, Browne, etc..... That is not disrespect, it's the truth and I totally agree with the other posts. Don't take it personally, you don't run for them. I'm proud of them for going for it and giving it a shot, but if you don't have it, you don't have it. My 5k pr is in the 15 minute plus range, but I can admit and I know I don't have the talent to run 14 flat.
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Jeff Jackson   July 22 at 8:19pm
You guys need to go back to letsrun.com.
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Mike Oxlong   July 22 at 8:00pm
wow...can't believe you're all actually debating this. how about you name another club that has produced numerous nationally select runners....(keep thinking)......and now you will realize that there is none. Look at the times these guys are running, they are no Dathan Ritzenheins or Ryan Halls who were world class runners from the start, they work for years to get this good with the program. Would they be as good if they trained by themselves? who knows, maybe yes, maybe no, but the point is that their reputation as a whole club stands on its own. it's actually disappointing to see such disrespect for such a class-act club.
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Bulldog Rico   July 22 at 12:38pm
No dog in this fight, but your comment about Abdi, Ritz, Meb, Culpepper upping their game is ludicrous at best. Brian Sell is the only runner that they were aware of and even he didn't make them up their game. R U Serious? Do you think they were scared of Clint Verran or Mike Morgan coming up on them? Again, R U Serious? No disrespect meant to you as a person, but as a runner, that is a total lack of running knowledge on your part. Dathan or Ryan Hall were not worried about the group.
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#10, Anonymous Coward   July 22 at 11:24am
Top 3 or go home. 4th is not great! 5th in the 5,000 for Mark, great you say? So then, the 4,5,6, and 7th place finishers in the women's OTM were mind blowing an d amazing, correct? They were ahead of some "great" performances, 8th, 12th and 13th. You know not what you speak of. 2006 Chicago Marathon: 2 runners broke 2:15 and 4 ran 2:15 plus, your point? Those runners could run those same times on different teams, then what would your response be? Except for Sell, they are still 2:15 marathoners. Your point? What about Josh Ordway, with his 2:17 and being from the US, you didn't mention him, did ya? Oh yeah, he's not great, only those with the Hanson's singlet and who are 2 minutes faster. Give it a rest, you're wrong.

By the way, I've forgotten more about running than you know.
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The Know   July 22 at 11:13am
no great performances? check your facts
2004 marathon trials- 4th Trent Briney, 5th Clint Verran (Brian led till 21)
2004 track trials- Mark Menefee (sp?) 5th place 5000m (wasn't a star in college)
2006 Boston Marathon- Brian 4th, Clint Verran 10th, Luke 11th (6 total in the top 20)
2006 Chicago- 6 guys ran 2:15 or better
2007 Marathon Trials- Brian 3rd, Morgan 12th (14 guys qualified)
2008 Marathon trials women- Dot 8th, Melissa 12th, Desi 13th (Desi and Melissa obviously went for the team and faded)

There are no world records here or wins for that matter....but you can bet guys like Abdi, Ritz, Meb, Culpepper and such upped their game because of this group!
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REAL Toolie Below   July 22 at 8:53am
AC is correct, post #10. Very good marathoners don't cut it. Without researching it, I believe Clint Verran was there for at least 8 years & might still be (I don't know). What did a 2:14 marathon really do for him or the team? 5th in the trials is not "great" or good enough, neither is 4th. You make it or you don't. Prediction: post #11 has never broken 20 minutes for a 5k and never will. Brian Sell is the only really good thing to come from Hanson's in it's exsistence. Jim Jurcevich was 6th in the 10,000 olympic trials, and that did what? Those are FACTS Toolie #11.
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#11
Toolio Below   July 21 at 9:39pm
The Anonymous coward below probably throws down a 20 minute 5k. I don't know any other running group that takes good college runners and turns them into very good marathoners. The Hanson's put guys in the top 10 every year in major U.S. marathons and had several in the top 20 at the trials. How many of those guys were blue chip college recruits? Get your facts straight. This is the team that brought high mileage running back into style and as a result the bar has been raised.
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Anonymous Coward   July 21 at 4:46pm
Ummmm "under performance" in big races? Besides Brian's 3rd place at the trials, what great performances have been produced by the Group in 10 years? I didn't say mediocre or 2:14, I said great, or heck, even very good.
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Brks   July 21 at 3:45pm
Good thoughts, but should you also consider leaving the Brooks Hanson Project? Outside of Brian, well no, even including Brian many appear to suffer within the program, it seems there is a pattern of under preformance in big races.
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#8
Chefdrp   July 21 at 9:42am
go get em Luke
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Smart Move Luke   July 20 at 9:12pm
I think that a few of your teammates (Brian Sell) could learn a few things from you. Very smart move Luke.
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Anonymous Coward   July 20 at 9:09pm
thats the way too do it. best of luck man keep us posted with training and races please
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Panthervision   July 20 at 8:52pm
Go get 'em Luke. I like what you got planned. 28 is not old at all. Not saying that Harry was serious with his post or joking. It is really about lifetime mileage, which certain people achieve sooner in life. Like the Kenyans and Ethiopians who run more mileage when they are younger and peak earlier. Of course then you have Haile who has been running since he was little and is still at it. So there is a mental aspect to it as well. Athletes tend to burn out mentally before they do so physically. Maybe Danny can do a blog post on that. Many performances have come from runners who have aged like a fine wine and gotten better.
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Soon Or Never.   July 20 at 8:19pm
Get down to 2:12 or forget it Luke. If you can do the training that indicates a 2:12, then do it. Run even during the race and make it happen. If it doesn't, move on to other things. 2:15 for a marathon doesn't do anything these but allow one to train with a team while they chase their dream...but for how long? Good luck, I am rooting for you to pull out a 2:12 on your next effort.
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#3
Bob Marley   July 20 at 7:59pm
Great stuff. Way to learn from the past! Good luck in your next segment.
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Danny Mackey   July 20 at 4:38pm
From what I know, 27 or 28 is not considered old.
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#1
Herzo Harry   July 20 at 3:44pm
Maybe you are just getting old
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