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First Couple Workouts at Altitude

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March 20, 2009

Over the last few days I have completed my first few workouts at Altitude. My first was five repeats of a flat loop that I hadn’t measured the distance of but was guessing was a bit short of 1k. It turned out to be between 905m and 970m depending on which map I looked at. I did the reps in just over 2:45 with just under 2 mins jog rest after each one. It actually only felt a little different then sea level. I had no idea how fast I was going and I did notice little differences like when running into the wind I got winded very quickly. But I kind of thought even running for effort I might just crack and run way slow after one or two efforts but actually I was fine, running 2:46 to 2:48 on every repeat. I also thought I might need a lot more time for recovery but I actually felt like the 2 minutes might have been a bit much. Now I was probably only running 4:50 mile pace or so and I felt like I was flying and I was working pretty hard so I’m not saying there was no difference at all. I’m just that I can run for effort as long as I accept that the pace won’t be the same up here.

The second workout was another story all together. I decided to do 3x3 miles on a point to point trail with a light circuit for break, calling it rest would be misleading, between each rep. The trail was a net drop in one direction and a climb in the other, but really not bad, I was figuring 10 seconds or so difference, maybe 20 seconds, tops.

The first rep was a downhill rep, but it ended up being into a pretty strong wind. Which I wasn’t happy about but I kept telling myself would be good because it would make the reps equal in difficulty.

I had set my goal at running the reps in 16:00 which is about what I would have aimed at for 5k blocks of the same workout at sea level and which I figured would be pretty easy. I was though the first mile in 5:13, and breathing like a horse. The good news was I was a bit fast, the bad news was that a 5:13 would be walking at sea level and I was hammering. I settled in a bit too much in the middle mile but didn’t really recover. I ended up splitting 10:44 and then finishing at 16:04 basically on goal pace. But it wasn’t easy. Not an all out war but not the nice tempo jog I was hoping for either. I did the circuit in just under 2:40 and was off in the other direction, uphill now. I was a broken man the effort was ok through the mile but I was slow, 5:26 and when I went to drop the hammer I just died, nothing in the tank and I struggled mightily coming in and decided that it would be my last rep, I ran 16:47 uphill. But again I doubt it was more then 10 or 20 seconds slower then the down rep in terms of difficulty, which means I was running much slower. I was pretty tired and struggled through the circuit in about 2:50. To be honest a lot of the trouble I had was more frustration then being actually wrecked but still it was not a good go and was definitely my first tough dose of what running at 6000 feet can be like. This is a workout I’ll be revisiting often over this cycle of training and I’m really looking forward to seeing how I adapt. But no matter how it goes I don’t think I’ll soon forget gasping and floundering past two miles in 11:11 on my second rep!

I think a lot of my struggle was due to not yet being adapted to running up here and again I think I was frustrated and I that if I had done a 3rd effort I would have on the downhill been able to go a bit faster then I did on the second rep. But I wasn’t able to get up the fight to do it. It is hard to get motivated to run hard for a 16:30 3 mile when you are used to running a minute faster for 5k’s with very little effort.

So after such a bad performance you would think that I might be upset or not enjoying my choice to come to altitude. Actually it is quite the opposite. I have felt pretty good up here the last couple of weeks and I was worried that I might not be a real responder to altitude. I have a theory, with absolutely no scientific backing, that low responders are such because basically they were born with most of the adaptations that high responders make when they come up here. Well since I was having such an easy go of things I was worried I might fall in my theoretical category. Having a real rough go to let me know I had a lot of adapting to do really built my confidence that being up here is going to attack some of my weak spots and help me make some big improvements. Also I was very excited that I had no hip or hamstring discomfort or problems during this effort which is a big step in the right direction and along with some other things tells me that the crazy stretching routine I have been on since about 10 days before USATF indoors may actually be working. If that is the case it won’t be too long before I can return to the event at which I’m actually competitive, the marathon.



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#14
Nate Jenkins   April 7 at 10:13pm
Will,
Great to hear it! It will be awesome to stay with the Modeleski's again, they were the best!
nate
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Will   April 7 at 8:25pm
AWESOME....You are my first official and confirmed elite entry. I'll hook you up with the same host family plus some $$ for an airplane trip.....no need to drive to the east coast. Looking forward to another ripping and awesome finish!

You were a great addition to our race last year.
Look for your special invite from me sometime next month.
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Nate Jenkins   March 26 at 8:05pm
strides, drills and general strength stuff can improve your basic speed, as can short hill sprints. You'll never make a slow man a fast man but you can make a slow man a faster man. In college I ran a 28.8 200m at my best this winter I ran 27.2. But in terms of being faster at 2 miles or 5k you need to focus on your strength, holding a quick pace. Alberto Salazar could barely break 60 for 400m but he was a sub 9 2 mile guy in HS and ran 13:14 or so for 5k. Now he got beat by the other guys who were that fast because they could out kick him but he beat 99% of his competitors because they weren't around to kick by at the end of the race. So how do you do that?
1. miles there is no more simple or straight forward answer if you want to be stong and hold pace you need to do a lot of aerobic miles
2. aerobic quality, tempo and progression runs, learn to run quickly relaxed and learn to make quick a little quicker and a little quicker until your running fast relaxed.
3. short rest and long repeats, don't worry about trying to do super fast repeats, worry about cutting that rest down and working on your aerobic power at the same time as your anaerobic threshold. For example my sr. year in HS I wanted to run a 9:20 2 mile but I fell well short. I often did repeats, in fact did them everyday, which was part of the problem but i never did them at 70 seconds per 400m they were always much faster I would have been much better off if at least for one of my bread and butter workouts each week I had done repeats at that goal pace but taken short rests and tried to make those reps longer and longer. So start with 8x400m at 70 with 200m rest then with 100m rest then 600m at 1:45 with 200m rest then 100m, then 800m at 2:20 with 200 or 300m rest get that down to 100m and you'll be able to run 9:20 in a race without a problem.
But again I didn't do that and I would go out way too fast in my races and though with increased mileage I ran much better that year then in my previous 2 years (I improved my PB from 10:02 to 9:47 (15 seconds) after only going from 10:18 to 10:02 (16 seconds) between my freshman and junior years.
good luck.
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Zach Harner   March 26 at 6:24pm
Thanks for the quick response. Not very often that high school runners get to talk to an elite such as yourself!!!! I'm just like you as far as being a slow twitch dominated runner. Any tips for improving speed over shorter distances such as 2 mile or 5k?
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Nate Jenkins   March 25 at 8:44pm
Zach,
thanks! work hard train smart and you can be one of the guys with the lucrative shoe deal! Have all the fun without the fiscal worry and guilt.
nate
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Zach Harner   March 25 at 6:45pm
Nate, very cool blog. I enjoyed your interviews as well and think it is sweet that you were able to keep at running after college despite the financial burdens that come along with the lack of a lucrative endorsement contract. I am a sopre in high school and would love to do what your doing someday. Keep up the good work and good luck with your altitude training!!!!
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Nate Jenkins   March 22 at 7:36pm
Bharath,
thanks! I'm glad you liked the springs too. I'll also be continueing to do the weekly training blog, like I had on trackshark, but at runningtimes.com.
thanks again
nate
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Bharath Krishnamoorthi   March 22 at 5:55pm
Hey Nate, your blogs on the now defunct trackshark were always a great read, so I'm glad that you're continuing to post on flotrack. I just got back from visiting Colorado Springs, the trails are sure great to run. It's great to hear that you are not having any hip/hamstring discomfort. I am kicking the injury bucket myself, and seeing the progress you have made with stretching convinces me to include much much more stretching into my training. Anyways, glad to hear all is well in CO, and keep blogging, you've definitely got some fans.
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#6
Nate Jenkins   March 21 at 4:57pm
thanks Elle, will do.
nate
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Elle   March 21 at 1:24pm
Hey Nate,
Just came across your blog recently,got to say I'm really enjoying it,keep it up!
Elle
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Nate Jenkins   March 21 at 11:41am
I'll be posting my weekly training blog on runningtimes.com under the athlete blogs section starting this sunday. thanks for asking!!
nate
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#3
Joe The Rando   March 21 at 9:11am
where will you be posting to replace trackshark with your weekly training?
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Nate Jenkins   March 20 at 9:48pm
Will,
I'm there! You have to love Cow Harbor and I'm in the best shape of my life so by then I should really be ready to rip it.
I am aware of the nate the great detective series, it was one of my favorites as a kid. It really increased my love of dogs and pancakes!
Thanks and I'll be seeing you for sure in September!
nate
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W Fodor   March 20 at 9:39pm
Not to mention the Great Cow Harbor 10K. Your Sub 30 (29:45) on that course is quite competetive. Book your flight.....the Race is September 26th!

Best of luck with your new residence.
PS: Did you know that there is a set of kids books called: Nate the Great. LOL
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