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Uploaded by Ryan From Flotrack | July 16, 2012

This morning Nick Symmonds was a guest on CNBC in London (see interview below). The talk about sponsorship was a main topic of interest and it spurred some follow up questions on the matter and around the Olympics. Symmonds fills us on how the push for sponsorship rights have affected his life throughout 2012 while training for the Olympic Games. Nick has been outspoken in feeling that athletes are not in a favorable situation with governing bodies, like the IAAF and USATF, when trying to gain sponsors for supporting track and field careers. We get into the Olympic Games, an event that makes billions but does not share the earning with the people that make the event....the athletes. In this interview we have Nick in his rawest form, outside of major television and big lights, but in his room in Teddington where he answers some big questions for the Flotrack community.

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Anonymous Coward 9 months ago

The new Pre: always thinking about the athletes of future generations!

josh 10 months ago

nick what a beast! thats all i need to say

Run 10 months ago

Thank goodness some people take healthy risks and champion a worthy cause, namely, workers (athletes) being fairly compensated. I really admire his perspective of "if EVERYBODY involved in Olympics did this for free, then it wouldnt be an issue, but thats not the case." Its about fairness. This is a case (similar to artists) where people with extreme talent and passion being taken advantage of because they LOVE what they do. Unionize, speak up, be persistent...change will occur.

William Mitchell 10 months ago

@AC: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt: I.e. when he held his tongue (when he almost said they needed to respect athletes more). He's being respectful and keeping his emotions at bay-something we can all learn from. He's clearly smart enough to use discretion. PS: 4.0's mean nothing.

Chase Wade 10 months ago

I like how there is an interview to talk about an interview lol

Anonymous Coward 10 months ago

@William Mitchell Wasn't nick a bio chem major and a 4.0 student at Willamette? Not sure, that's just what I've heard. If that is true then he may be one of the smarter people in the room haha. Regardless he has a lot of charisma and I don't think there could be a better voice for the athletes in this case. Can't wait for London!

William Mitchell 10 months ago

Its pretty great how Nick holds his tongue at certain points. He may not be the smartest person in the room but he is definitely articulate and taking the long view on this, he is trying to do it the right way. He's a good dude trying to do a good thing, we should rally behind him.

Woodlands 10 months ago

Nick, absolutely brilliant!!!!

Why don't we have more athletes that aren't afraid to stand up for their rights and push for a change?!?! It's sad.

Derek Rubis 10 months ago

I love the truthes that Nick Symmonds is saying and I am fully in his corner all the way

Living Vicariously 10 months ago

To Track Coach:
In terms of the X-Games comparison, I don't think Nick is using any of your parameters of success. Yes the Olympics is bigger. Most Olympics have LOST MONEY. No X-Games has ever lost money. Olympics have bigger cost, bigger initial investment, bigger risk for the investors and sponsors. He's suggesting that in terms of marketing bang for your buck, ESPN and Mountain Dew get a lot more out of the X-games than the Olympics produce. Yes, the Olympics make a bigger total bang but the amount of bucks that go in up front are astronomically higher than what Mountain Dew spends to pile up some snow in Aspen.

His point is that there are plenty of very successful and highly profitable sports formats where there are both large major sponsors and smaller individual athlete sponsorship. It's not the crippling disaster that USATF and IAAF suggest it would be. Exclusivity is not a necessity. Obviously it's easier for USATF and IAAF to only have their limited major sponsors and lock the athletes out of any individual marketing deals. Clearly that's all the governing bodies care about and they still manage to sleep at night. Other sports have governing bodies aren't as lazy or selfish.

TrackCoach 10 months ago

Nicks actions in the short term my not benefit him; however, I think history will look favorable on him. Someone has to fight the fight. In a slight defense of the NGBs, at the end of the day, not as much money (specifically profit) in up in their hands as Nick suspects.

Also, a correction to one of Nick's statement; the X-Games is not even close (by a long shot) to being as successful as the Olympic Games. I am not sure how Nick is defining success, but the Olympics is a 100+ billion dollar operation with hundreds of hours of prime time coverage shown in every country in the world, with sponsors who are the largest corporations in the world.

Peter Liota 10 months ago

Way to go Nick, you are the man ! Hopefully we see more of this determination in other athletes as I'm sure most of them feel the same way.

Anonymous Coward 10 months ago

Anyone think as soon as they get past the Olympics (or the end of this summer season) some sort of a lockout will occur?

rockymountainman 10 months ago

modern day pre!

Al Kreis 10 months ago

i'm sure nike will survive...

Trecho 10 months ago

Nick Symmonds rocks! Nobody owns him. He owns himself, and will market whoever's brand he wants to. Why can't people understand that?

More people would probably have more interest in a sport where there was a greater ability to make a living, and would therefore bring in more of a market to the general public = more money for sponsors and major brands.
What's the confusion here?

Nate Mezmer 10 months ago

Nick is on the right side of history. The fact that Ian Stewart is married to Stephanie Hightower, is a conspiracy in itself. More athletes will follow Nick and start to speak out, stand up... & I got a feeling he's going to be a lot faster than 47sec in his 400m warm up!! Gonna be an exciting story to see how he does in London. Hopefully he can medal.

Mo B 10 months ago

I believe Nick is making his money, but he is speaking up for the sport of t/f and for those athletes that train very hard thats not getting that sponsorship or apperance fees. More of the big name track athletes should stand behind this movement. USA has some of the greatest track and field athletes but you wouldnt know it until its an Olympic year.

Ian Simmons 10 months ago

From the corporate sponsor's P.O.V., I can kind of understand... u take on a lot of liability when sponsoring an athlete.

Anonymous Coward 10 months ago

Stewart x Hightower = Conflict Of Interest

I HOPE.. 10 months ago

YOU GOT IN THAT CHICKS #, SHE WAS DIGGING YOU HARD!

DisGuy 10 months ago

Nick probably slays girls left and right, that's why he's so fast. Anybody have a count as to how many girls he goes through on an average week?

Sean Norton 10 months ago

Nick is asking questions that should have been asked louder long ago. As for why T&F looks for exclusive sponsorship, rather than multiple sponsors, I think it might have to do with the general authoritarian history of the IAAF. The modern Olympics were founded by an aristocrat and for nearly 100 years track athletes were expected to be amateurs, like the old "country squire" athletes. This is of course an antiquated model, but I think the adherence to single-sponsors is a sign of that old aristocratic/authoritarian attitude that is rooted in the origin of the modern Olympics. It's outdated and unfair.

to Want too much? 10 months ago

T+F governing bodies don't have a leg to stand on. Other major sports have relaxed their single-sponsor domination and had great success. Somehow NASCAR manages to keep Nationwide happy while still allowing individual cars smaller advertising. That model has been crushing T+F for decades. T+F's governing bodies just look more and more hapless in recent years. Is it that hard to realize when you're the problem?

Oregon Duck 10 months ago

Saw Nick out at the bars with a girl he introduced as his girlfriend... not sure if this Paris thing is all a publicity stunt, or he's just that big of a ladies man that he multiple going at once. Good looking girl, way hotter than Paris.

SBINTrackCoach 10 months ago

How much of his complaint is a byproduct of the attitude pervasive in other professional sports? Can't fault Nick for this and he seems to be well spoken in defense of his right to make a living off of his talents (no argument from me there by the way).

Want Too Much?? 10 months ago

But your "Appearance Fees"!!! as well as some limited sponcership each time you race and race well? Hummmmm. All bet you're not struggling too much there ace!

So you want full ownership of your personal advertising space - full body & full uniform, to do as you will and put on it whatever you want, wherever you want advertising for companies that you've made individual deals with in venues that you did not create, pay for or even organize? Sounds like you want it both ways!
If you've reached the "Pro" level and making it to the Diamond League - which wouldn't happen without sponcers like Samsung for example, you were financially nurtured by them to get to that status, so you are going to have to jump through their advertising hoop whether you like it or not! So, are you endorsing full and complete athlete control what you wear and commercialize leading up to and during Olympic completion?

Andrew McKeachie 10 months ago

With this movement at the top, what we need is a parallel grassroots type movement that popularizes the sport and makes it more appealing to the local communities. When you look at a sport like baseball, you see several tiers underneath the big leagues which help provide a platform for emerging stars and for growing fanbases and track could do something like that. You could have semi-pro athletes, partially sponsored by smaller companies etc competing for city clubs or teams against other city clubs around the state or a particular region of the country. There are a lot of people out there who compete post-collegiately and have an interest to continue that but dont have the means to dedicate significant periods of time to that for training because they are on their own, but if Symmonds' movement were to gain traction, it would open up a lot more options. How many collegiate athletes fade away or stop altogether when they finish college while in reality they could have another 4 or 5 years before they reach the physical prime of their lives?
Just some thoughts from an avid fan that wants to see this sport grow.

SK 10 months ago

Soccer is a prime example of a world-wide sport that could exist perfectly fine without the Olympics (Olympic soccer teams are essential age 23 and under players with a few (i think its 4) over-age players).

At best, the "Olympic ideal" has some serious holes in it.
Interesting to see how this will all play out in the future.

Half Miler 10 months ago

Great interview by Ryan, Nick, and CNBC. I had no idea that Athletes did not receive any stipend, or rewards for competing in the Olympic games. With all the money being made, it is ludicrous that they can't even advertise their sponsors. At any point Nick or anyone else needs support to fight for better financial support of athletics, I am down.