Coach Joe Franklin got his first coaching job right after he graduated from Purdue University. He coached the Men and Women's XC team in Depauw University, Indiana. That year he was named Confrence Coach… + See More +
Coach Joe Franklin got his first coaching job right after he graduated from Purdue University. He coached the Men and Women's XC team in Depauw University, Indiana. That year he was named Confrence Coach… + See More
- See Less - Coach Joe Franklin got his first coaching job right after he graduated from Purdue University. He coached the Men and Women's XC team in Depauw University, Indiana. That year he was named Confrence Coach of the Year.
After serving 3 years as a coach at his Alma Mater Purdue University, Coach Franklin got the Head Coach Job at Butler. For Being a small Mid Western School, Butler has had great success on the National Scene. Franklin has led seven teams to NCAA XC Championships. Their best finish coming in 2004 when they shocked the Nation with a fourth place finish.
Coach Franklin is currently at the University of New Mexico.
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5k-10k March 23 at 7:14pm
Try some of the women on the team are up there as well. That is high for women in general. And it would probably detrimental to emmanuel to run that type of mileage.
there's no way bish or emmanuel are running 100mpw in training, just no way!!!
wouldn't be surprised if rory has been up there, but he's turning into a decent 5k and potential 10k runner, so why not run 100mpw at his age? But the whole team is definately NOT doing this.
""We no longer develop the domestic talent we develop the foreign talent in hopes to win a national title"...this state alone threw away any credibility you might have had in your 1000 word essay."
What do you mean that threw away his credibility?! That is the whole point. The coaches are more concerned with winning titles than developing talent. Ask the coaches, and they will tell you, it is NOT their job to develop talent, it IS their job to win titles. And to that end they will do whatever it takes. And that means running international track clubs. Look at the track teams, and you will see that they are all starting to look the same. Sprinters from Jamaica or the Bahamas. Middle distance from Western Europe or Africa. Weights from Eastern Europe. The name ofthe game is winning and keeping their job.
I agree, I like Wetmore for that fact that be doesn't recruit foreign athletes. It was the Mileage that I was referring too. Because they do have those 100+ miles per week quite a bit.
Mark Wetmore does not recruit foreign athletes. Yeah it has been a while, but they are always around the top. CU program has integrity, go look that word up.
If you are seriously using rupp as an example of a college coach developing talent, I think I might start dieing of laughter. Anythings possible when Nike will fly you where ever you want to train, and drugs can make anyone look good. That and he ran a 4:02 mile in High School cutting 5 secs off in 4 years is fine tuning on developing. Yes I know that rupp is a 5k up guy as well, not really a miler.
And I do refer to German in what I wrote. I basically am saying that he is a prodigy and we develop the prodigy talent. So America does have quite a bit of talent in it, but some coaches aren't willing to find any body that may have had a bad HS school coach and get them on there system and make them run to fullest extent of there ability.
SteveB you really did not understand what I was saying do you. And I can name high school students that do 100 miles a week, and run amazing times in HS but once they go to college they don't do crap but the times they ran in HS would have them competing at the top of the NCAA. And as far as colleges that have there athletes running around 100 mile weeks, Colorado, Oregon, New Mexico, Oklahoma State to name a few. But I did not say that 100 mile weeks are good, in fact I said the exact opposite. Read thoroughly and comprehend what I am saying before you attack my credibility. As far as you misquoting me, I said earlier that "1000 word essay" that D1 coaches only consider winning getting first not taking a 5:00 min boondocks kid and turning him into a 4:02 collegiate athlete. I am not complaining about how the USA can't compete internationally because we obviously can "Matt Tegenkamp" the depth just isn't there because we don't give some of the possible star athletes the ability to compete against the best in the US. So before you say I don't know what I am talking about, think and ask yourself do I really understand what this guy is saying.
Thirdly...untill you have graduated middle school, try to understand what these american coaches are doing overall for these international athletes. You travel over to their place of the world and something tells me they don't live the glamour life....nor do they have the same opportunities YOU may have. "Most Americans drive everywhere where the African athletes run"...sooo...who's fault is it really? So when you go to Cancun for your spring break, i expect you to run there
"We no longer develop the domestic talent we develop the foreign talent in hopes to win a national title"...this state alone threw away any credibility you might have had in your 1000 word essay.
Problem?- You write on a subject you know very little of. All you are doing is complaining about how USA cant compete on the international stage or how american kids don't want to compete hard enough against the International athletes for college scholorships...maybe your attitude just sucks. You then continue to talk about mileage problems in the HS scene..."120 is too much...oh but 100 is fine though"...what universities do you know of have their guys even run 100-120...don't answer that question because you wouldn't know.
First off the college coaches make it practically impossible for anyone that may have been average in high school to get a scholarship to be able to afford what ever school they want to run at. They focus on the winning aspect being getting first, when winning can be taking a 5:00 miler in high school and dropping him down to a 4:02 by his senior year. Yeah the kid may never qualify for nationals but that is a big improvement over the course of 4 years.
Coaches forget that you can find talent in the boondocks that had crap for coaches in high school, and if you will spend the time to try and develop them than you can produce a quality athlete. Develop American talent in the top American schools. Let the foreign athletes come over here for an education, and let there country develop them as an athlete.
Second, the reason that American track and field is in the ter at the international level is because of the way that the collegiate system is set up right now. You need that footlocker finalist to win, you need foreign athletes to win. It does nothing for boosting American students wanting to work harder to get that scholarship that they may otherwise not be capable of getting. It has the exact opposite effect, athletes think to themselves "oh I didn't run a 4:20 mile as a freshman, well crap there goes my scholarship hopes." HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING IN 100 MILE WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!! I can not stress that enough. Yeah it makes there times good at the high school level but they have to nowhere to go from there upon graduation. You run 100 mile weeks in high school you step up too 120 in college so a person that may have been a 3:57 miler had he not done that mileage in high school not probably will need to step up to the 5k where his head wont be at because he still considers himself that miler.
Third, How the hell do you expect American students to compete with foreign athletes (mainly Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese) at the collegiate level where they are supposed to be developed when American athletes come from pretty much the exact opposite culture of the African athletes. Most Americans drive everywhere where the African athletes run, most American athletes don't start into sport seriously till high school where African and especially Chinese are specialized practically from birth. American athletes hero's growing up football players, basketball players, (not runners for the most part) where the foreign athletes hero's growing up are runners or soccer players.
and lastly, Do Division 1 coaches really know how to coach, or do they grab 30 eggs throw them against the wall and see if they can find 7 that don't crack. What happened to developing athletes as compared to just fine tuning the already greats. Yes German Fernandez is a great athlete and he deserves credit for everything he has accomplished at such a young age, but he is a rare talent. Same with Prefontaine in his day a rarity that any coach would be glad to have. But most athletes are not like this. The D1 ranks are no longer what they used to be. Coaches no longer bring in the mediocre talent and develop it, they don't coach. Coaches that bring in all-American athletes will lose for some time yes, but if they keep bringing in the Americans and developing them you can build a tradition and you will eventually have success if you DEVELOP the domestic talent. and people wander why we are not competitive on the international scene as much as we used to be. We no longer develop the domestic talent we develop the foreign talent in hopes to win a national title, when if we would only look within our own borders we could find high quality talent that can and would win national championships if a Division 1 coach would actually take the time to COACH and develop under developed domestic talent.
The talent is in the country but no one wants to take the time to develop it. I personally would have loved to have gone to UNM coach Franklin but my 4:44 mile and 17:21 5k would not and will not win you a national championship when you wont take the time to develop it. This is not just about UNM though it's about pretty much every school in the Nation.
I am not against foreign athletes competing in the NCAA, bit I tend to lean towards the JUCO rules where you can only run a limited amount during the meets that actually count. Regional, Conference, Nationals.
Bringing in foreign runners raises the bar?! How, if all the runners are foreigners?! And as for the also rans, you have to build a culture, and that means you need the also rans. Everybody is so concerned about taking care of the star athletes, and they are NOT the ones that need to be taken care of. It is the people behind them that need the help. The free market and endorsements take care of the star athletes. And the whining about, "We can't get the top athletes because they go to Oregon. Waaa!" Give me a break. They go there because there is a running culture there and they are comfortable there. Create the culture, and the athletes will come. And the comment about if you aren't good enough to go pro, then you aren't worth recruiting, wow! Is that the new standard for college athletes? Hey you're not good enough to go pro, so hit the road. I am rapidly getting to the point I want the universities to drop ALL their sport programs. Student athletes?! Don't get me started on that lie.
there are age limits, i believe you can run in NCAA D1 until 26 so anyone offering a scholarship would not offer one for full length of course if they were going to graduate after 26 as that would waste a years money. Unless its D2 where there are different rulas I believe. As far as I know, all scholarship athletes have to participate in a specified number of charity event defined by their school.
straight to the point. any company wants the best, no matter were the best come from. the only problem that I have is that we should make them give back a mandatory commitment of volunter hours at to charities and there should be an age limit. there are foriegn athletes in there freshman year at age 25-26
cwl said: “hey idiot! if they didn't bring in foreign runners they wouldn't have to get foot locker finalist. also its more so the fact that they are older. they tried age restrictions in the 80's and everyone just lied. that's a fact. some athlete produced multiple birth certificates. you don't know what your talking about.
any time any place butt face.”
i forgot it is really easy to lie to US immigration about your actual age. Thankyou for your extremely immature post.
I also think you missed the point. University want to be the best they can which they cant be if they give scholarships to 2nd Americans just because they are American. Lets have the NCAA as strong as possible, excellence breeds excellence!
Keep bringing the foreigners in, this is only helping the face of American distance running by pushing the Americans to the next level. If you complain about the foreigners taking Americans roster spots, there are plenty of D2 and D3 schools that would gladly accept you. If you are not good enough to beat out a foreigner on a D1 program, you probably aren't good enough to go pro anyway so such it up and go to the next lower level of competition.
hey idiot! if they didn't bring in foreign runners they wouldn't have to get foot locker finalist. also its more so the fact that they are older. they tried age restrictions in the 80's and everyone just lied. that's a fact. some athlete produced multiple birth certificates. you don't know what your talking about.
any time any place butt face.
I don't see the problem. As he said he cant recruit Footlocker athletes as they got to the Oregon's, Stanford, OSU, FSU and many other big schools and universities want to compete with these teams. DO you really expect them to give full rides to American athletes that are really not that fast and 95% of them will never be good enough to make a NCAA let alone compete at them. There will always be a few that get missed but that is something that happens in all sports. The only way a university can compete is by bringing in foreign athletes whilst trying to find that unknown star of the future from the US. A good example is Iona, top 3 at NCAA XC for last 4 years or so but still it looks like cant get footlocker finalists! What are they supposed to do??
I don't buy it. How do expect an 18 year old kid to compete with a 26 year old with 6 years of international experience? What I love is colleges putting out posters of their Olympic athletes, and not a single one of them ran for the U.S.A. Really, why spend the time and money developing our athletes when we can just keep tabs of the talent that is out there and when they are ready, make them citizens of the U.S.A.
let me spain it to you guy. we have no club system in the US. we have the college system. the carrot is a scholarship. if you drive up the competition so much then only older internationals can compete. US kids drag there friends and family into the sport creating a larger audience. i'm sick of going to college meets and watching mercenaries with names i can't pronounce. most team a nothing more than international track clubs.
Luke Rygh said: “Sorry, but America would dominate the rest of the world if our top athletes focused on soccer the same way the rest of the world does. ”
I very much hope this was a tongue-in-cheek comment. Half the 'athletes' in the NFL are obese and the rest are mediocre sprinters (with a couple of exceptions) taking advantage of the lax doping controls. QB is arguably the only position which requires any real skill.
location "irrelevant"? similar to college tennis, too many foreigners... Honestly, I am so happy I took a 50% d2 scholarship(with conditions obviously) at a great school with a tough academic load, then ever join the only real d1 offer with $$$ I got with many internationals taking spots from Americans. And UNM is not even that great in any way...those big d1 schools don't give you the attention from professors as you are just a number in undergrad. And it is not even about money; school should be about school. I would totally choose Yale or Harvard in lieu of a big offer from gargantuan schools in huge cities like FSU, U of MN or ,as posted earlier, UNM. Think kids think! Enjoy it, you probably wouldn't go pro. Live, Breathe and Enjoy! :)
Soccer is in the same boat as us. Can you imagine if we didn't have American Football? People like Chad Johnson would be soccer players. Sorry, but America would dominate the rest of the world if our top athletes focused on soccer the same way the rest of the world does. And for those of you who didn't understand the Chad Johnson reference, he reached a point in his athletic career where he had to choose between football and futbol. Guess why he chose what he chose?
Sam C. said: “I suspect there is a some shift going on with this so-called second "Running Renaissance", but the fact remains that running in general is not as glamorous as the other sports that currently dominate patriarchal American society. Just speculate for a moment how many great high school athletes, for example, have dedicated themselves to another sport like football, basketball, and (the big culprit) soccer, thanks to a usually baseless cultural assumption that running is "boring" and "worthless", as well as being associated with a less masculine identity in the case of males.
It's a matter of cultural values. That's not to say that other sports aren't worth a damn or that it's their 'fault' that we can't catch good runners at a young age and develop them into world-class athletes. It's a matter of determining the sport's worth in the context of wider society, and until the big stigma among our peers changes, the uphill battle to advance our sport in the minds of the masses will allow very little recumbence.
It is great to see the effort put forth by so many (like Flotrack) to give face, recognition, commonality and respect to our beloved (and addicting) ambulation.”
I agree I think a lot of track athletes spend too much time trying to gain recognition from outsiders when there is great support from people inside the community. I think that means more because other track and field people know what has gone on for the successes that have been achieved. Also, the reason kids play so many sports is because America doesn't utilize specialization like the Europeans as a full societal trait. Though there is a slow switch to that at the high school level of sports we just need to show young runners (who are willing) there is a way to focus on track year round.
I suspect there is a some shift going on with this so-called second "Running Renaissance", but the fact remains that running in general is not as glamorous as the other sports that currently dominate patriarchal American society. Just speculate for a moment how many great high school athletes, for example, have dedicated themselves to another sport like football, basketball, and (the big culprit) soccer, thanks to a usually baseless cultural assumption that running is "boring" and "worthless", as well as being associated with a less masculine identity in the case of males.
It's a matter of cultural values. That's not to say that other sports aren't worth a damn or that it's their 'fault' that we can't catch good runners at a young age and develop them into world-class athletes. It's a matter of determining the sport's worth in the context of wider society, and until the big stigma among our peers changes, the uphill battle to advance our sport in the minds of the masses will allow very little recumbence.
It is great to see the effort put forth by so many (like Flotrack) to give face, recognition, commonality and respect to our beloved (and addicting) ambulation.
On the contrary, this is one of reasons why track is back! why running is getting more and more competetive in the US. We have forgein atheletes in the ncaa that push the US ncaa atheltes to new levels in order to compete. And we have atheletes such as Bernard Lagat to look up to as an example for US distance running. The more competition, the better we become.
300 million people in USA ... we have solid american T&F;athletes ... and we should give them a chance ... and who is to say that a 4:18 woman 1500m runner can't become 4:03-05 and win NCAA's and make the US National team!
It's the USATF's job to develop American athletes ... it's the NCAA (ie Univ/Colleges) to win Nat. Championships ... Franklin is just doing his best job for his boss/school!
most college athletics sites have ways to contact the program/coach. there are usually questionnaires or surveys to fill out. for example, here's new mexico:
How do gb athletes get the chance to go over to america? I know scholarships get offered to the top athletes but is there a way for "average" runners to gain a scholarship?
This past weekend University of New Mexico's Lee Emanuel won the NCAA Championship in the mile. Lee is a foreign athlete from Great Britain. There are some out there that have issues with teams that have foreign athletes. Coach Joe Franklin talks about recruiting at New Mexico and how he began a connection with foreign athletes. March 19, 2009
Joe Franklin on recruiting and foreigners
wouldn't be surprised if rory has been up there, but he's turning into a decent 5k and potential 10k runner, so why not run 100mpw at his age? But the whole team is definately NOT doing this.
What do you mean that threw away his credibility?! That is the whole point. The coaches are more concerned with winning titles than developing talent. Ask the coaches, and they will tell you, it is NOT their job to develop talent, it IS their job to win titles. And to that end they will do whatever it takes. And that means running international track clubs. Look at the track teams, and you will see that they are all starting to look the same. Sprinters from Jamaica or the Bahamas. Middle distance from Western Europe or Africa. Weights from Eastern Europe. The name ofthe game is winning and keeping their job.
Coaches forget that you can find talent in the boondocks that had crap for coaches in high school, and if you will spend the time to try and develop them than you can produce a quality athlete. Develop American talent in the top American schools. Let the foreign athletes come over here for an education, and let there country develop them as an athlete.
Second, the reason that American track and field is in the ter at the international level is because of the way that the collegiate system is set up right now. You need that footlocker finalist to win, you need foreign athletes to win. It does nothing for boosting American students wanting to work harder to get that scholarship that they may otherwise not be capable of getting. It has the exact opposite effect, athletes think to themselves "oh I didn't run a 4:20 mile as a freshman, well crap there goes my scholarship hopes." HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING IN 100 MILE WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!! I can not stress that enough. Yeah it makes there times good at the high school level but they have to nowhere to go from there upon graduation. You run 100 mile weeks in high school you step up too 120 in college so a person that may have been a 3:57 miler had he not done that mileage in high school not probably will need to step up to the 5k where his head wont be at because he still considers himself that miler.
Third, How the hell do you expect American students to compete with foreign athletes (mainly Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese) at the collegiate level where they are supposed to be developed when American athletes come from pretty much the exact opposite culture of the African athletes. Most Americans drive everywhere where the African athletes run, most American athletes don't start into sport seriously till high school where African and especially Chinese are specialized practically from birth. American athletes hero's growing up football players, basketball players, (not runners for the most part) where the foreign athletes hero's growing up are runners or soccer players.
and lastly, Do Division 1 coaches really know how to coach, or do they grab 30 eggs throw them against the wall and see if they can find 7 that don't crack. What happened to developing athletes as compared to just fine tuning the already greats. Yes German Fernandez is a great athlete and he deserves credit for everything he has accomplished at such a young age, but he is a rare talent. Same with Prefontaine in his day a rarity that any coach would be glad to have. But most athletes are not like this. The D1 ranks are no longer what they used to be. Coaches no longer bring in the mediocre talent and develop it, they don't coach. Coaches that bring in all-American athletes will lose for some time yes, but if they keep bringing in the Americans and developing them you can build a tradition and you will eventually have success if you DEVELOP the domestic talent. and people wander why we are not competitive on the international scene as much as we used to be. We no longer develop the domestic talent we develop the foreign talent in hopes to win a national title, when if we would only look within our own borders we could find high quality talent that can and would win national championships if a Division 1 coach would actually take the time to COACH and develop under developed domestic talent.
The talent is in the country but no one wants to take the time to develop it. I personally would have loved to have gone to UNM coach Franklin but my 4:44 mile and 17:21 5k would not and will not win you a national championship when you wont take the time to develop it. This is not just about UNM though it's about pretty much every school in the Nation.
I am not against foreign athletes competing in the NCAA, bit I tend to lean towards the JUCO rules where you can only run a limited amount during the meets that actually count. Regional, Conference, Nationals.
“hey idiot! if they didn't bring in foreign runners they wouldn't have to get foot locker finalist. also its more so the fact that they are older. they tried age restrictions in the 80's and everyone just lied. that's a fact. some athlete produced multiple birth certificates. you don't know what your talking about.
any time any place butt face.”
I also think you missed the point. University want to be the best they can which they cant be if they give scholarships to 2nd Americans just because they are American. Lets have the NCAA as strong as possible, excellence breeds excellence!
any time any place butt face.
“Sorry, but America would dominate the rest of the world if our top athletes focused on soccer the same way the rest of the world does. ”
“I suspect there is a some shift going on with this so-called second "Running Renaissance", but the fact remains that running in general is not as glamorous as the other sports that currently dominate patriarchal American society. Just speculate for a moment how many great high school athletes, for example, have dedicated themselves to another sport like football, basketball, and (the big culprit) soccer, thanks to a usually baseless cultural assumption that running is "boring" and "worthless", as well as being associated with a less masculine identity in the case of males.
It's a matter of cultural values. That's not to say that other sports aren't worth a damn or that it's their 'fault' that we can't catch good runners at a young age and develop them into world-class athletes. It's a matter of determining the sport's worth in the context of wider society, and until the big stigma among our peers changes, the uphill battle to advance our sport in the minds of the masses will allow very little recumbence.
It is great to see the effort put forth by so many (like Flotrack) to give face, recognition, commonality and respect to our beloved (and addicting) ambulation.”
It's a matter of cultural values. That's not to say that other sports aren't worth a damn or that it's their 'fault' that we can't catch good runners at a young age and develop them into world-class athletes. It's a matter of determining the sport's worth in the context of wider society, and until the big stigma among our peers changes, the uphill battle to advance our sport in the minds of the masses will allow very little recumbence.
It is great to see the effort put forth by so many (like Flotrack) to give face, recognition, commonality and respect to our beloved (and addicting) ambulation.
It's the USATF's job to develop American athletes ... it's the NCAA (ie Univ/Colleges) to win Nat. Championships ... Franklin is just doing his best job for his boss/school!
http://www.golobos.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/nm-track-xc-recruit-form.html
Are we supposed to contact them and how?