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NO Love? October 1 at 10:25pm
Mr. Williams. You go to UP but did not rank them in the top 5 considering such a deep class? Dunbar to start. Osoro who was 3rd at NTXN. Plus 10 or more guys that are 4:15 or 9:10 types. Conner will do insane things with the group. Stand by. Oh, you can turn your uniform in now. They changed the locker room combo.
OK I'm a homer BUT...somehow Arkansas needs some more lovin'.
What does it matter that Oregon recruited an awesome 800 runner if this is a ranking of the top CC recruiting class? Consider the Razorback class:
1. Solomon Haile .. Foot Locker Champion, 4:13 1600
2. Cameron Efurd.. AR state CC champion, 4:14
3. Drew Butler.. Woodlands pedigree, 4:09
4. Omar Abdi.. MA state runner-up, 4:13
If you think your rankings were based on incomplete information, then go find another nice balcony to stand on and amend the rankings. You'll gain a lot of credibility.
Badgers #1 Class said: “With all due respect to the other excellent recruiting classes, Wisconsin's is the best top to bottom. In addition to the stars, the depth of this class is incredible
Reed Connor 1st NXN, 8:55
Mo Ahmed 30:03
Zach Mellon 1:48
Drew Shields 4th Footlocker, 7th NXN
Alex Brill 9:02
Timothy Hucke 1:52
Mike Brice 9:13
Donald Schwaderer 23rd NXN
Robel Kebede 1:57”
157?! I think Kebede went 153 his junior year/155 sopre year. Also he was the runner up in cross his senior year... not sure what he did during his senior year track... probably hurt….
With all due respect to the other excellent recruiting classes, Wisconsin's is the best top to bottom. In addition to the stars, the depth of this class is incredible
Reed Connor 1st NXN, 8:55
Mo Ahmed 30:03
Zach Mellon 1:48
Drew Shields 4th Footlocker, 7th NXN
Alex Brill 9:02
Timothy Hucke 1:52
Mike Brice 9:13
Donald Schwaderer 23rd NXN
Robel Kebede 1:57
cal as in uc? hmmm maybe, yeah, though there are definitely some other, more solid teams out there. at the very least, this is an insightful look into the upcoming DI year, even if i differ slightly in my own opinions about what schools should make the list.
you know, i'd be curious to see this done for DII and DIII schools as well.
Dont forget the transfers into cal such as Chris Vizcaino (last years iona's 5th man) and James brewer (jr. who ran 3:54 at worlds this year) very arguably should have made this list.
i don't understand what separates lukas verz, from Canada's Tristan Woodfine. They are both triathletes and sorry if I offend anyone, Tristan is the same age as Lukas and has run a 8:27 3k solo on a low calibre meet. This was extremely early season, his indoor times are not more than ten seconds off either. The only thing that separates the two, i believe is a 14:18 indoor. Tristan Woodfine, check him out.
Colin Jarvis 8:53 3200 / 4:11 1600
Rylan Hunt 4:13 1600 / 1:55 800
Renaud Poizat 15:13 xc 5k and nxn
Cody Schmidt 15:07 xc 5k and nxn / 9:07 3200
Simon Schmidt 15:18 xc 5k
Matt Peterson 15:17 xc 5k / 9:01 3200
jp slater 15:14 xc 5k
Andrew Diaz 15:23 xc 5k
Chris Frias 9:13 3200
SLO also gets a noteable class with one of the nation's top distance runners, Chris Schwartz 8:51, 7th at FLN along with
the extremely-versetaile strength-driven, blood-sucking, powerful and dominating, potential-dripping but underrated Toby Villalva: 1;53 800 / 4:09.4 1600 / 8:59 3200
and Zak Phillips 4:11 1600
here's the question though:: WHO DOES OKLAHOMA ST GET?????????????????????????????????????????????????
I think Stanford should have been #1 considering all the footlocker kids they brought in and the rankings were for cross country. I don't know how all these 1:53 guys and 4:17 guys would do in cross...the 3k or 2mile are better indacators for track too cross....
Oh My God... said: “ And by the way, Lukas Verzbikas is going to be the best. Ever. WAY better than Mac Fleet, who struggled during XC.”
Lukas is a triathlete. He's not going to be the best as a runner if he does not even consider himself one. Maybe later he'll switch over, but as of now, he's setting himself up for 2016 in the triathlon. And so what if Fleet had one bad season. I'm pretty sure a State title in the 1600 and a 4:02 mile makes up for that.
Not sure why Columbia gets a top 5 ranking--Gtwn, ND, and Princeton all have much better classes both from a track record and future upside perspective--should have made a top 10 list --would have made real comparisons easier
i think Notre Dame has got a good class .. they have Jeremy Rae (1:50, 3:45 1500m), JP Mallette (3:45 1500m, 1:54, 8:28 3k (in Grade 11)), Trent Sayers (1:52? and 3:57) all great recruits, and these are just the Canadians, i don't know who they took in for Americans but them alone should make next years team strong!
That's not a picture of Taylor GIlland who's going to UVA that's a picture of Patrick Campbell who already runs at NC State. Taylor is a much better looking guy.
Completely agree with Virginia as the top recruiting class. But you forgot about TJ Hobart who has PRs of 4:12 for 1600, 9:34 for 3200, 1:55 for 800. He has also split faster then 1:55 and has split 48 in the 4x400 relay
Anonymous Coward said: “This post is a BAD inference. Mid D guys and gals can be integral parts of a cross country team because they need to be able to have range eventhough they will focus on the shorter races come indoor and outdoor track season. A great example just off the top of my head in Andy Wheating for Oregon where he was 7th on the team at Nationals for the 08 Championships. Then I am sure there were other Mid D people that had good showings within their respective teams top 7.”
I take it your a Mid D guy...first Andrew Wheating is a man amongst boys when it comes to half milers and yet he is still only able come across as Oregon's 8th runner, I say 8th because actually Oregon's 5th runner did not run at nationals cause Lannanna wanted to give the chance to the guys that had been there from the start, this guy transfered in...also, I am by no means saying that Wheating isn't fast over 10k, I'm just saying he isn't fast enough to have an impact on a legitimate team even if he was 7th, it's still not scoring...second, if Wheating cannot pull this off, good luck to any of the other half milers out there as when it comes to the 800m Wheating is probably the best suited Mid D guy out there to run any time of distance as he has great range, the 1500 he runs in a few days will be a testiment to that.
so if you have 12.6 scholarships - how does that break out?
13 people get tuition? 12 get room and board? 25 get tuition? It seems that tuition would be the bigger expense. Maybe not.
Seeing the "track shack" episodes, it makes me wonder if some schools have houses donated, or rented very cheap, that they say to the athletes - we are covering your tuition and you rent a room here for $x a month.
Also how is out-of-state handled by most of these people?
iona had an extremely good class, bringing in Chris Stogsdill-4:06 mile, 9:06 3200, state xc champ. Jimmy Tarsnane 9:04 3200 PA state 3200 champ, Mike Hickey- 8:35 3k, 15:12 5k, 4:18 mile. They also bring in a crop of foreigners so they are up there with the top recruiting classes in my opinion
Are you kidding me? You "wet your bed" over this person (a high schooler)? It sounds like you need to get a life. And by the way, Lukas Verzbikas is going to be the best. Ever. WAY better than Mac Fleet, who struggled during XC.
This post is a BAD inference. Mid D guys and gals can be integral parts of a cross country team because they need to be able to have range eventhough they will focus on the shorter races come indoor and outdoor track season. A great example just off the top of my head in Andy Wheating for Oregon where he was 7th on the team at Nationals for the 08 Championships. Then I am sure there were other Mid D people that had good showings within their respective teams top 7.
If this video pertains to XC recruiting classes why are the half milers mentioned as top notch recruits? anyone who has competed in XC outa know that 800m runners are not going to make an impact on a cross team, sure they make the team, but if they are inside there top 7 this usually means that the team is weak. i would be curious to know who has the top 09 class without these half milers, as this would be a true xc recruiting class.
Mohammed Ahmed also ran 3:51 and 14:11 this year and that 30:03 is from his junior year. Im very sure he will be the best freshman XC runner this year.
Tiger said: “Maybe Columbia's class is deep, but what about Princeton's which certainly seems arguably the best in the Ivies at the top end.
Peter Callahan
Mile -4:05.20, 800 - 1:51.22
Russell Dinkins
400 - 47.66, 800 - 1:51.92
Michael Franklin
3200 - 9:07.66
George Galasso
FL Finalist / 9:15
Matt Gonzalez
800 - 1:53.5
Nathan Mathabane
1500 - 3:50.58, 800 - 1:51.88
Michael Palmisano
1600 - 4:13.93, 800 - 1:52.45
James Webb
3200 - 8:55.39”
I have to agree that it appears Princeton has a clearly better recruiting class than Columbia.
At the same time, I'm sure that putting this list together wasn't easy. Insightful in my opinion.
Depth anylizer
I hate to lower anyones confidence or be pessimistic about a teams future but I think you may want to set some more realistic goals. I understand that you may be excited for the coming year I seriously laughed my ass off. Unless marqutte moved down to division three which I am not aware of marquette should be happy to be ranked in the top fifty or more realistically top hundred. Good luck luck though lol
uw:
mo ahmed- 30:03, 8:19(3k)
reed connon-nxn champ, 8:55m, 4:11y
zach mellon- 1:48
drew shields- 4th at fln, 1:54, 4:09
michael brice- 4:18, 9:13
tim hucke- 1:52
neal berman- 9:20
uva:
Robby Andrews- 1:47, 2:22, 4:03y
Brett Johnson- 4:08y, fln
Taylor Gilland- 9:01, 4:10y
Zach Vrhovac- 4:12y, 1:50 split
T.J. Hobart- 4:12m
David Wilson- NXN 7th
Luke Nobel- 1:55, 4:18
lets compare head to head: i will compare each of the recreuting class's similar piece's and decide which team has the edge and whether it is a very slight edge, a slight edge, a moderage edge, a large edge, or a huge edge.
middle distance stud:
robby andrews vs. Zach Mellon- large edge to UVA
mile stud who also goes to FLN
Brett Johnson vs. Drew Shields- very slight edge UW
distance runner who does some of everything
Taylor Gilland vs. Reed Connor- slight edge to UW
Long Distance Specialist
Mo Ahmed vs. David Wilson- huge edge to UW
Middle Distance guy whose times are second best of middle distance guys in class
Zach Vrhovac vs.Tim Huck- large edge to UVA
Other distance guy in the class (not very similar runners but classes dont match up perfectly)
T.J. Hobart vs. Michael Brice- large edge UVA
Other guy in class #2
Luke Nobel vs. Neal Berman- moderate edge to UVA
score is 4-3 in favor of UVA. with all of UVA's edges being large or moderate and one of UW's edges being huge the others being slight. The classes are definitely similar and comparable, but I have to give the edge to UVA.
I personally think that mac fleet is the best runner in the country and should make oregon number one by far he is the coolest and sweetest kid, and when I wet my bed thinking about mac, its not urine... Gosh he's awesome :) ;) :)
lol last few seconds he lifts his hands from the rail a lot.
but on a more serious note, job well done. i think virginia will need a little more time though to live up to that #1 spot. some of those kids seem like theyre going to go through a big transition from other sports. should be interesting!
TJ's PR's are recorded as 1:55.45 for the 800 and 4:12.09 for the 1600 (as well as 4:20.65 for a mile) according to http://pa.milesplit.us/athletes/78218
I'm pretty sure he has run a faster 800 then what is recorded
Mr. Ward, for the most part I completely agree with you. Most teams are not willing to put a ton of money into just one athlete. However, in the case of my roommate - he was the 2nd ranked pole vaulter in the U.S. coming out of high school and has gone on to be a multi-time All-American. His scholarship was 100% athletic, and 0% academic or otherwise. "Full" rides, as you called them, are also much more common for female athletes (makes sense as there are 18 scholarships instead of 12.6). I also personally know countless foreign athletes who are on 100% athletic aid. Once again though, all of these athletes score at nationals virtually every season. Finally, yes, I am speaking strictly from a Division I perspective. I have personal experience with two different programs in one of the Big 3 track conferences in the nation and am very close to the situation of both teams. Ultimately, what this comes down to is that I agree with you, with the exception of the athletes who have the ability to score at nationals on a consistent basis (which is a small percentage). I would guess that the majority of the All-Americans at DI NCAAs this year in Fayetteville are on a significant amount of athletic aid, if not a full ride. Obviously, there are exceptions, but for the most part I believe this to be true.
DI Runner, perhaps that is true at DI level, my info may not be up to date on their equivalencies and that is my fault, but I suppose I am speaking from a DII perspective on the limits I suggested earlier. In DII (as I read this from the scholarship equivalencies in front of me) men's programs are allowed 12.6 and women's 12.6. I trust you know the current DI numbers better than I. Thanks for the correction. The case you present about your roomate may be the exception, but I wonder again, how much of that scholarship was also academic based or other financial aid added in beyond what athletics covers. I have no doubt some schools have a lot of resources, but I've been coaching for a while now and I would be surprised that 1 kid is getting a full scholarship, while there are only 12.6 total (in men's) between track and XC. Either that guy ran all three seasons (XC, indoor, and out) and/or was a BIG TIME scorer at Nationals (as you suggested he was); then perhaps that is plausible. I have just talked to too many coaches in the DI and DII ranks at our annual coaches convention and I don't know anyone who is sinking that much money in to one kid when it takes a team to win the titles. Not saying you are wrong, but that whoever your roommate is/was, besides being Galen Rupp, he may be one of only a very small handful getting that kind of scholarship to run in the US. Again, I haven't been in the DI ranks since my days back in the late 90s so I may be behind the times. Thanks for the insight.
Doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 probably not the top 10 but right there has to be marquette. 11 guys coming in(including one transfer) but pr's at the mile 4:11,4:14, 4:16,4:19,4:19,4:21,4:23, 4:23, 4:27 three guys in at 1:54 or under with two at 1:52.60 and 1:51.87. Also several 9:20 type guys. 15:36 5k guy. Deep class. Let's see if Coach Mike Nelson can do something with them.
To whoever 5465dr is: you really need to stop talking a bunch of . Omar Aden as I know or Abdi will do just fine at Arkansas. In reference to that party animal comment, you don't even know the kid. Overall good picks guys but some of the Pr's are off and have been updated
The NCAA does put a limit or "cap" on the number of scholarships a track and field/ cross country program can give out. As I posted earlier, that number is 12.6 for men, and 18 for women. I assume you are talking about the University of Oregon. And while you are right that Oregon's athletes probably have access to a number of things that most college track athletes do not - there is no such thing as "extra scholarships" above and beyond the limits of 12.6 and 18. It doesn't matter if Phil Knight donates 2 million dollars to the Oregon T & F program - they can still give no more than the limits imposed by the NCAA. That money would have to be used in another capacity within the track team (i.e. better travel budget, better gear, better equipment).
Schools can get extra scholarships through donors. I wish the ncaa would put a cap on that amount of money. I think it would be interesting to c who the real national campion is. Dont get me wrong OU is good and im just speculating that they get and over abundance of money from donors and nike. But if every school got the same benefits as they do. I wonder if they would still be the back to back national champions.
While the poster below is correct in saying that earning a scholarship that covers 100% of books, tuition, room & board is rare in the sport of track and field/cross country - it is possible, and does happen. My roommate was a on a scholarship that paid for all of the expenses of his books, tuition, and then he got a monthly scholarship check for about $900 to cover room and board expenses. So if that is not a "full" scholarship - I don't know what is. (It should be understood that my roommate was a scorer at indoor and outdoor DI nationals most years). Next, you are close to being accurate in your total scholarship limits for males and females respectively, but the numbers are actually 12.6 for men, and 18 for women. See link below:
dmoise said: “How many scholarships do these schools have to hand out?
I did not count, but it seemed like many of these schools were picking up 6 - 8 kids. "Back in the day", you might see 2 or 3 new kids a year.
who did Oklahoma State pick up?”
As a collegiate coach, schools don't give out "full" scholarships anymore. If you have both track and cross you are allotted a total of 12.5 for men and 12.6 for women...total. So XC and track split those. No one gets a "full ride" anymore. I hope high school athletes understand that now...coaches are going to give you tuition and then some book or housing money IF you are a Footlocker, NXN or state champion WITH the stats to back it up. An athlete may get what appears to be a full ride if they have been good students and the university, not the athletic department kick in some academic scholarships as well. I know 18 min-5K girls who were only getting $1000 or $500 for a 5:10 1600m female runner to attend large DI schools. There may be a lot of talent out there, but coaches aren't throwing money around, nor can they afford to, not with having to fund track & field as well.
Be interesting to see how these programs turn up in cross country and track in the next couple years. A lot of people give Oregon crap for getting "all these footlocker guys" or "all the blue chippers" and what not, but dear god there are a lot of schools getting a TON of 4:05-4:15 & 9:00-9:15 runners. Some schools seem to have more in their recruiting class than Oregon does on it's whole roster (coming out of high school). Pretty nuts. A lot of depth out there now.
How many scholarships do these schools have to hand out?
I did not count, but it seemed like many of these schools were picking up 6 - 8 kids. "Back in the day", you might see 2 or 3 new kids a year.
they have zavior brown coming in at 1:50.69 open and 47.8
a kid from nyac that ran 1:53 open
a kid from half hallow hills split 1:53
and they are returning two guys at 1:51 and 1:53
How can you ignore Notre Dame?...They have 2 or 3 guys from Canada running 4:02 mile equivalents. Oh that's right, you care more about some crappy 4:15 milers who don't even come close to them.
Don't forget about Jessica Perry going to Florida State when you do the women.
i'm shocked not to see georgetown university on this list. there team is incredible, with andrew bumbalough and levi miller earning xc all american status, the dmr team earning all american indoors, then outdoors bumbalough runs 13:30, 3:38; liam boylan-pett runs 3:41 in every single kind of race imaginable earning all american, 2 guys under 29 minutes in the 10k (dan nunn 28:24 and mike krisch 28:58). they had 6 or 7 guys at 4:03 or faster indoors. there recruiting class is very legit too.
andrew springer headlines with a 27th at footlocker, but NIN mile champ and national leader outdoors and indoors at 4:02.70 and 4:08.34, respectively. he also ran 8:23 for 3k which is comparable to and 8:58 deuce.
ben furcht was also a footlocker finalist and was 2nd to haile indoors in the deuce. outdoors, he was the runner up at the penn relays and was a 4:15 miler and an 8:59 2miler.
dylan sorensen nabbed the last all american spot at footlocker and at NON in the mile. his times were 4:12, 9:05.
bobby peavey was 14th at footlocker south and ran 4:09 and 9:06 indoors...
then you add to the group bobby mcgann and brian hencke...and you;ve got one studly class worthy of the top 5.
The picture for Taylor Gilland was wrong that was definitely Patrick Campbell who is a sophmore running for NC State..... if you didn't notice by his jersey
There were so many problems with this video. I don't disagree with your picks but if you are going to put kids on the video atleast do a little research so that you can get their pr's right 4:12 for Robbie Andrews..... he was second to mac fleet at the Portland race in 4:02 high. Porter ran 8:59 for the full 2-mile at Nike. Tyler Stutzman is from Virginia not New Jersey. Those are the problems that I caught and I don't know everyone on this video. Not a bad idea for a video just put a little more work into getting your facts straight
Notre Dame should definitely be in this list because there is going to be BIG things that are in store for these Rookie Irish at the collegiate level. The real situation is how all of these classes at all the different schools will transition into the collegiate setting, but they just need to realize that they are starting a new and just have to get out there and have a good time with it. Then the proving of themselves in college will come.
Vig cleaned house and got rid of crappy runners that were using up scholarship money but not producing anything. Building the program means giving money to those who are going to take it to the next level. Besides, UVA will be investing more money into the track program and facilities in the VERY near future.
Maybe Columbia's class is deep, but what about Princeton's which certainly seems arguably the best in the Ivies at the top end.
Peter Callahan
Mile -4:05.20, 800 - 1:51.22
Russell Dinkins
400 - 47.66, 800 - 1:51.92
Michael Franklin
3200 - 9:07.66
George Galasso
FL Finalist / 9:15
Matt Gonzalez
800 - 1:53.5
Nathan Mathabane
1500 - 3:50.58, 800 - 1:51.88
Michael Palmisano
1600 - 4:13.93, 800 - 1:52.45
James Webb
3200 - 8:55.39
You guys forgot Alex Brill! 9:02 for 3200m at State just shy of Rombough's, and previously held by Solinsky, record and 4:14 for the mile. And he is darn cute too.
Thanks for the corrections guys. There is a lot of info here to compile and it was done over a few weeks, so some PR's and such may not have been updated.
Good to see Virginians in 4 of the top 5 recruiting classes. Western Albermarle (Stutzman) is in VA not NJ. In the same county is Albermarle (Vrhovac) and the University of Virginia.
Cal and Arkansas were the last two schools which I cut out. Cal has a very talented and deep class, however they don't have some of the heavy hitters like these other schools got. Rylan Hunt, The Schmidts, and Slater will most likely have great collegiate careers, I guess I just didn't see there numbers mathing up with some of the other schools. I wasn't aware that Arkansas recruited Efurd as well, which most likely would've bumped them into the top 5.
key word they said was depth...ark has 3 good runners their, abdi is a joke running 448 at his state meet this year and is just a party animal, i see nothing in college for him..columbia definitely has one of the deepest classes this year....my question is tho why don't you do a top 10 lol, it would add more discussion and probably be just better
this is wack...columbia before arkansas?
arkansas got drew butler,camerfon efurd, solomon haile, omar abdi and those teams are before arkansas! also Texas AM has a terrific class coming in..do some more research next time!
Here are the top 5 NCAA recruiting classes for the class of '09. These are the men, and coming soon will be the women. There were a lot of good classes this year, we'll see which one is the most successful over the next few years. July 6, 2009
Top 5 College Recruiting Classes
What does it matter that Oregon recruited an awesome 800 runner if this is a ranking of the top CC recruiting class? Consider the Razorback class:
1. Solomon Haile .. Foot Locker Champion, 4:13 1600
2. Cameron Efurd.. AR state CC champion, 4:14
3. Drew Butler.. Woodlands pedigree, 4:09
4. Omar Abdi.. MA state runner-up, 4:13
If you think your rankings were based on incomplete information, then go find another nice balcony to stand on and amend the rankings. You'll gain a lot of credibility.
“With all due respect to the other excellent recruiting classes, Wisconsin's is the best top to bottom. In addition to the stars, the depth of this class is incredible
Reed Connor 1st NXN, 8:55
Mo Ahmed 30:03
Zach Mellon 1:48
Drew Shields 4th Footlocker, 7th NXN
Alex Brill 9:02
Timothy Hucke 1:52
Mike Brice 9:13
Donald Schwaderer 23rd NXN
Robel Kebede 1:57”
Take it elsewhere people.
You're behind a computer just insulting people. If you want it to be done differently then do it yourself.
Reed Connor 1st NXN, 8:55
Mo Ahmed 30:03
Zach Mellon 1:48
Drew Shields 4th Footlocker, 7th NXN
Alex Brill 9:02
Timothy Hucke 1:52
Mike Brice 9:13
Donald Schwaderer 23rd NXN
Robel Kebede 1:57
you know, i'd be curious to see this done for DII and DIII schools as well.
Colin Jarvis 8:53 3200 / 4:11 1600
Rylan Hunt 4:13 1600 / 1:55 800
Renaud Poizat 15:13 xc 5k and nxn
Cody Schmidt 15:07 xc 5k and nxn / 9:07 3200
Simon Schmidt 15:18 xc 5k
Matt Peterson 15:17 xc 5k / 9:01 3200
jp slater 15:14 xc 5k
Andrew Diaz 15:23 xc 5k
Chris Frias 9:13 3200
SLO also gets a noteable class with one of the nation's top distance runners, Chris Schwartz 8:51, 7th at FLN along with
the extremely-versetaile strength-driven, blood-sucking, powerful and dominating, potential-dripping but underrated Toby Villalva: 1;53 800 / 4:09.4 1600 / 8:59 3200
and Zak Phillips 4:11 1600
here's the question though:: WHO DOES OKLAHOMA ST GET?????????????????????????????????????????????????
“ And by the way, Lukas Verzbikas is going to be the best. Ever. WAY better than Mac Fleet, who struggled during XC.”
“UVA recruiting is looking spectacular, but they always have lack of scholarship money.”
“This post is a BAD inference. Mid D guys and gals can be integral parts of a cross country team because they need to be able to have range eventhough they will focus on the shorter races come indoor and outdoor track season. A great example just off the top of my head in Andy Wheating for Oregon where he was 7th on the team at Nationals for the 08 Championships. Then I am sure there were other Mid D people that had good showings within their respective teams top 7.”
13 people get tuition? 12 get room and board? 25 get tuition? It seems that tuition would be the bigger expense. Maybe not.
Seeing the "track shack" episodes, it makes me wonder if some schools have houses donated, or rented very cheap, that they say to the athletes - we are covering your tuition and you rent a room here for $x a month.
Also how is out-of-state handled by most of these people?
Arkansas Portland Oregon Portland Virginia
“Maybe Columbia's class is deep, but what about Princeton's which certainly seems arguably the best in the Ivies at the top end.
Peter Callahan
Mile -4:05.20, 800 - 1:51.22
Russell Dinkins
400 - 47.66, 800 - 1:51.92
Michael Franklin
3200 - 9:07.66
George Galasso
FL Finalist / 9:15
Matt Gonzalez
800 - 1:53.5
Nathan Mathabane
1500 - 3:50.58, 800 - 1:51.88
Michael Palmisano
1600 - 4:13.93, 800 - 1:52.45
James Webb
3200 - 8:55.39”
At the same time, I'm sure that putting this list together wasn't easy. Insightful in my opinion.
I hate to lower anyones confidence or be pessimistic about a teams future but I think you may want to set some more realistic goals. I understand that you may be excited for the coming year I seriously laughed my ass off. Unless marqutte moved down to division three which I am not aware of marquette should be happy to be ranked in the top fifty or more realistically top hundred. Good luck luck though lol
uw:
mo ahmed- 30:03, 8:19(3k)
reed connon-nxn champ, 8:55m, 4:11y
zach mellon- 1:48
drew shields- 4th at fln, 1:54, 4:09
michael brice- 4:18, 9:13
tim hucke- 1:52
neal berman- 9:20
uva:
Robby Andrews- 1:47, 2:22, 4:03y
Brett Johnson- 4:08y, fln
Taylor Gilland- 9:01, 4:10y
Zach Vrhovac- 4:12y, 1:50 split
T.J. Hobart- 4:12m
David Wilson- NXN 7th
Luke Nobel- 1:55, 4:18
lets compare head to head: i will compare each of the recreuting class's similar piece's and decide which team has the edge and whether it is a very slight edge, a slight edge, a moderage edge, a large edge, or a huge edge.
middle distance stud:
robby andrews vs. Zach Mellon- large edge to UVA
mile stud who also goes to FLN
Brett Johnson vs. Drew Shields- very slight edge UW
distance runner who does some of everything
Taylor Gilland vs. Reed Connor- slight edge to UW
Long Distance Specialist
Mo Ahmed vs. David Wilson- huge edge to UW
Middle Distance guy whose times are second best of middle distance guys in class
Zach Vrhovac vs.Tim Huck- large edge to UVA
Other distance guy in the class (not very similar runners but classes dont match up perfectly)
T.J. Hobart vs. Michael Brice- large edge UVA
Other guy in class #2
Luke Nobel vs. Neal Berman- moderate edge to UVA
score is 4-3 in favor of UVA. with all of UVA's edges being large or moderate and one of UW's edges being huge the others being slight. The classes are definitely similar and comparable, but I have to give the edge to UVA.
but on a more serious note, job well done. i think virginia will need a little more time though to live up to that #1 spot. some of those kids seem like theyre going to go through a big transition from other sports. should be interesting!
I'm pretty sure he has run a faster 800 then what is recorded
http://www.educationplanner.com/education_planner/paying_article.asp?
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“How many scholarships do these schools have to hand out?
I did not count, but it seemed like many of these schools were picking up 6 - 8 kids. "Back in the day", you might see 2 or 3 new kids a year.
who did Oklahoma State pick up?”
I did not count, but it seemed like many of these schools were picking up 6 - 8 kids. "Back in the day", you might see 2 or 3 new kids a year.
who did Oklahoma State pick up?
they have zavior brown coming in at 1:50.69 open and 47.8
a kid from nyac that ran 1:53 open
a kid from half hallow hills split 1:53
and they are returning two guys at 1:51 and 1:53
Don't forget about Jessica Perry going to Florida State when you do the women.
andrew springer headlines with a 27th at footlocker, but NIN mile champ and national leader outdoors and indoors at 4:02.70 and 4:08.34, respectively. he also ran 8:23 for 3k which is comparable to and 8:58 deuce.
ben furcht was also a footlocker finalist and was 2nd to haile indoors in the deuce. outdoors, he was the runner up at the penn relays and was a 4:15 miler and an 8:59 2miler.
dylan sorensen nabbed the last all american spot at footlocker and at NON in the mile. his times were 4:12, 9:05.
bobby peavey was 14th at footlocker south and ran 4:09 and 9:06 indoors...
then you add to the group bobby mcgann and brian hencke...and you;ve got one studly class worthy of the top 5.
Peter Callahan
Mile -4:05.20, 800 - 1:51.22
Russell Dinkins
400 - 47.66, 800 - 1:51.92
Michael Franklin
3200 - 9:07.66
George Galasso
FL Finalist / 9:15
Matt Gonzalez
800 - 1:53.5
Nathan Mathabane
1500 - 3:50.58, 800 - 1:51.88
Michael Palmisano
1600 - 4:13.93, 800 - 1:52.45
James Webb
3200 - 8:55.39
“UVA recruiting is looking spectacular, but they always have lack of scholarship money.
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Brett Hartman: 48.55
Patrick Moakley: 1:53.99
Stutzman is from VA, not NJ
Dejarnette ran 9:06 at state and Tom Porter went 8:59 at nationals
For the record, Mo ran his 8:19 at OFSAA, not Canadian championships.
arkansas got drew butler,camerfon efurd, solomon haile, omar abdi and those teams are before arkansas! also Texas AM has a terrific class coming in..do some more research next time!
“women?? the title of this piece is 'top 5 college recruiting classes', but you only cover half of the spectrum.”