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College: Mt. SAC thrown a curve
Course improvements call into question the validity of new marks
October 18, 2001
By Richard Gonzalez
Staff Writer
October, 2000: Glendale Hoover High's Anita Siraki stuns the national prep
cross country community when she breaks the Mt. San Antonio College course
record by a stunning 17 seconds.
November, 2000: Big Bear High's Ryan Hall runs the Mt. SAC course in
14:28, slicing four seconds off Jeff Nelson's 22-year-old boys course
record.
November, 2000: Don Lugo High's Erick Maldonado smashes the sopre boys
course record as five of the six fastest 10th-grade course times in
history are achieved. All told, a whopping 39 revisions are made to the
all-time grade lists.
Oddly enough, these standout runners have enjoyed ample success before and
since, but not quite to the degree achieved recently along the revered
2.95-mile Mt. SAC course.
Well, maybe it's because the course had been shortened to 2.91 miles.
Mt. SAC cross country women's coach Doug Todd has confirmed in three
separate interviews since last November that the course has indeed been
shortened, an end result of safety concerns, course upgrades and
environmental effects.
"We struggled not to make the changes, because the Mt. SAC course and the
meet are so steeped in history," said Todd, who oversees this weekend's
conclusion of the 54th annual Mt. SAC Cross Country Invitational, the
nation's largest.
"Some changes were unavoidable, but it doesn't make accepting the changes
any easier."
The most notable change was reconfiguring a portion of the "Valley Loop"
as a safety matter. With the number of entrants swelling to match the
meet's growth in popularity, maneuvering along the original course's
sharp, jutting turn less than a minute into the race created logistical
problems.
Mt. SAC staff changed it to a sweeping and easier to navigate path, which
Todd estimates cut about five seconds off each loop or 10 seconds per
runner off the double loop. If his estimate is accurate, that translates
to roughly a 50-second team-time (five runners) improvement over
"pre-renovation" years.
Additionally, heavy rains a few years ago caused erosion along some
patches of the course. Throw in the beautification steps imposed in recent
years a wider running path, planting of shade-producing trees along the
route, and considerable landscaping to improve footing and the
once-imposing course becomes a more inviting one.
"We try to respect history and tradition, yet safety becomes a factor too
... a much more important factor," said Mt. SAC men's coach Mike Goff, who
is the one entrusted with the upkeep of the course.
"If course historians have a problem with it, I understand," Goff added.
"At the same time, if we can improve the course to maximum conditions for
runners, that's great, too. Bottom line, the best teams and runners will
still win."
The only drawback now is that the ever-popular time comparisons by
generations of runners might lack integrity, since the course has changed.
It used to be when one California runner would meet another, the first
question was: "What's your best time at Mt. SAC?"
Regardless, the course still offers a tough test to challengers.
"Well, Mt. SAC's been too hot, too dusty, too slow, too crowded, too
hard," said Goff, echoing some critics over the years. "And now... they
say it's too fast. That's a new one."
oldie said: “I ran Mt. Sac when it was a girl's 2M in the early 80's. The records are...”
The early 80's I'm sure are on record in print, but not on line at Mt SAC. Doug Todd is the meet director. He could probably help you. I'm thinking that course is now the Junior High/Middle School course (Airstrip Start, Reservoir Hill, Valley Loop, Switchback Hill, finish chutes, 2 miles).
The Mt SAC record holder is 8th grader Shana St Laurent from Lincoln (SDS) at 12:19. I know that because in 2006 she beat my best girl Crystal Kelly who ran a 12:34! Some credit for Shana's record performance should go to the San Diego Southern California Road Runners Club. She and many others honed their early running skills with that great program.
Mt SAC Girls HS, Top of the List
Amber Trotter 16:16 (Middlebury), Jordan Hasay 16:27 (Oregon), Mel Lawrence 16:29 (Washington), Christine Babkock 16:38 (Washington), Anita Siraki 16:38 (Stanford), Jordan Hasay 16:42, Alex Dunne 16:48 (Stanford), Mel Lawrence 16:48, Jordan Hasay 16:48, Anne St Geme 16:51 (Stanford)
Note - Sorry for the spelling Christine, it's the only way it'll work!
Mt SAC Boys HS, Top of the List
Diego Mercado 14:24 (Oregon), Ryan Hall 14:28 (Stanford), Mohammed Trafeh 14:28 (Arizona), Brandon Bethke 14:30 (Wisc, Az State), Jeff Nelson 14:32 (Oregon), Tim Nelson 14:33 (Wisconsin), Mark Matusak 14:33 (Cal), Chad Hall 14:35 (Oregon, UC Riverside), Ryan Hall 14:35, Brian Dameworth 14:36 (Wisconsin).
Picture this because I don't think the vid will make you appreciate the altitude changes at SAC. The track/football field are right in the middle of this race course. You all know how high the flood lights are at a stadium. You are looking at these lights at eye level on top of the hills, and you are starting and finishing on the lower field, well below the track/football complex. You don't know what burning is until you crank a 14:24 - 15:00 on these hills!
Flotrack will once again be at the two largest cross country meets in the US. The Reebok Manhattan XC Invitational and the Reebok Mt. SAC Invitational. Over the years some of the best runners in the history of the US XC have run these courses, but which one is the best?? With your help, Flotrack will try to find out which of these meets - the Beast of the East at Manhattan or the Best of the West at Mt SAC - is the best in the country. Its continues this weekend at Mt. SAC.
Stay tuned for coverage of all the Sweepstakes races this weekend at Mt. SAC brought to you by Reebok and Flotrack.
The Best in the West...Reebok Mt. SAC XC Invite
College: Mt. SAC thrown a curve
Course improvements call into question the validity of new marks
October 18, 2001
By Richard Gonzalez
Staff Writer
October, 2000: Glendale Hoover High's Anita Siraki stuns the national prep
cross country community when she breaks the Mt. San Antonio College course
record by a stunning 17 seconds.
November, 2000: Big Bear High's Ryan Hall runs the Mt. SAC course in
14:28, slicing four seconds off Jeff Nelson's 22-year-old boys course
record.
November, 2000: Don Lugo High's Erick Maldonado smashes the sopre boys
course record as five of the six fastest 10th-grade course times in
history are achieved. All told, a whopping 39 revisions are made to the
all-time grade lists.
Oddly enough, these standout runners have enjoyed ample success before and
since, but not quite to the degree achieved recently along the revered
2.95-mile Mt. SAC course.
Well, maybe it's because the course had been shortened to 2.91 miles.
Mt. SAC cross country women's coach Doug Todd has confirmed in three
separate interviews since last November that the course has indeed been
shortened, an end result of safety concerns, course upgrades and
environmental effects.
"We struggled not to make the changes, because the Mt. SAC course and the
meet are so steeped in history," said Todd, who oversees this weekend's
conclusion of the 54th annual Mt. SAC Cross Country Invitational, the
nation's largest.
"Some changes were unavoidable, but it doesn't make accepting the changes
any easier."
The most notable change was reconfiguring a portion of the "Valley Loop"
as a safety matter. With the number of entrants swelling to match the
meet's growth in popularity, maneuvering along the original course's
sharp, jutting turn less than a minute into the race created logistical
problems.
Mt. SAC staff changed it to a sweeping and easier to navigate path, which
Todd estimates cut about five seconds off each loop or 10 seconds per
runner off the double loop. If his estimate is accurate, that translates
to roughly a 50-second team-time (five runners) improvement over
"pre-renovation" years.
Additionally, heavy rains a few years ago caused erosion along some
patches of the course. Throw in the beautification steps imposed in recent
years a wider running path, planting of shade-producing trees along the
route, and considerable landscaping to improve footing and the
once-imposing course becomes a more inviting one.
"We try to respect history and tradition, yet safety becomes a factor too
... a much more important factor," said Mt. SAC men's coach Mike Goff, who
is the one entrusted with the upkeep of the course.
"If course historians have a problem with it, I understand," Goff added.
"At the same time, if we can improve the course to maximum conditions for
runners, that's great, too. Bottom line, the best teams and runners will
still win."
The only drawback now is that the ever-popular time comparisons by
generations of runners might lack integrity, since the course has changed.
It used to be when one California runner would meet another, the first
question was: "What's your best time at Mt. SAC?"
Regardless, the course still offers a tough test to challengers.
"Well, Mt. SAC's been too hot, too dusty, too slow, too crowded, too
hard," said Goff, echoing some critics over the years. "And now... they
say it's too fast. That's a new one."
“I ran Mt. Sac when it was a girl's 2M in the early 80's. The records are...”
The Mt SAC record holder is 8th grader Shana St Laurent from Lincoln (SDS) at 12:19. I know that because in 2006 she beat my best girl Crystal Kelly who ran a 12:34! Some credit for Shana's record performance should go to the San Diego Southern California Road Runners Club. She and many others honed their early running skills with that great program.
“This is the reason for homeowner's associations.”
Amber Trotter 16:16 (Middlebury), Jordan Hasay 16:27 (Oregon), Mel Lawrence 16:29 (Washington), Christine Babkock 16:38 (Washington), Anita Siraki 16:38 (Stanford), Jordan Hasay 16:42, Alex Dunne 16:48 (Stanford), Mel Lawrence 16:48, Jordan Hasay 16:48, Anne St Geme 16:51 (Stanford)
Note - Sorry for the spelling Christine, it's the only way it'll work!
Mt SAC Boys HS, Top of the List
Diego Mercado 14:24 (Oregon), Ryan Hall 14:28 (Stanford), Mohammed Trafeh 14:28 (Arizona), Brandon Bethke 14:30 (Wisc, Az State), Jeff Nelson 14:32 (Oregon), Tim Nelson 14:33 (Wisconsin), Mark Matusak 14:33 (Cal), Chad Hall 14:35 (Oregon, UC Riverside), Ryan Hall 14:35, Brian Dameworth 14:36 (Wisconsin).