Ryan Hall disappointed after a 4th place finish at the ING NYC Marathon

2009 ING New York City Marathon

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College:	Stanford University (stanford)
Bio:	.S. Half-Marathon champion; 2006 USA Cross Country champion; 2005 NCAA 5,000m champion; 2003 NCAA Cross Country runner-up; three-time NCAA Cross Country All-American; USA 20 km and half-marathon record… + See More + .S. Half-Marathon champion; 2006 USA Cross Country champion; 2005 NCAA 5,000m champion; 2003 NCAA Cross Country runner-up; three-time NCAA Cross Country All-American; USA 20 km and half-marathon record… + See More - See Less - .S. Half-Marathon champion; 2006 USA Cross Country champion; 2005 NCAA 5,000m champion; 2003 NCAA Cross Country runner-up; three-time NCAA Cross Country All-American; USA 20 km and half-marathon record holder At the 2007 Olympic Trials – Men’s Marathon, Hall tamed what had been thought of as a slow and very difficult course, breaking the Olympic Trials record with his winning time of 2:09:02. He posted the second-fastest marathon time ever by an American of 2:06.17 from his fifth place finish at the 2008 London Marathon. Hall showed signs of becoming a future Olympic marathoner when he made his marathon debut in style, finishing seventh in April at the 2007 Flora London Marathon in 2:08:24. Hall's time was the fastest ever debut marathon for an American man by 1:16.Hall has gone from high school prodigy to national record holder in the span of just a few years. Hall set a U.S. record and earned a national title on January 14, 2007, when he won the men’s U.S. Half Marathon National Championship in 59 minutes 43 seconds becoming the first American to break the one-hour barrier at that distance. His performance bettered the previous American record by Mark Curp that had stood for 21 years by 1:12, and makes him the 13th fastest performer in the world at the half marathon distance. Hall won his first major cross country title when he captured the men’s long course national crown at the 2006 USA Cross Country Championships at historic Van Cortlandt Park in The Bronx, N.Y. Hall won going away with a 27-second margin over the rest of the field. "It was probably the most fun race of my life," said Hall. "It's my first 12k. I thought that I would make a move and see who would go, and maybe if I get a gap, then keep going.” Hall was the fastest American in the long course race at the 2006 World Cross Country Championships in Japan, placing 43rd. Also in 2006 Hall set an American record in the 20 km of 57:54 on October 8 at the IAAF World Road Running Championships in Debrecen, Hungary. Hall enjoyed a strong season in 2005 that included winning the NCAA Outdoor 5,000m title, placing third at the USA Outdoor Championships, where he set a new personal best of 13:16.03, and competing at his first World Outdoor Championships. As a prep standout, Hall competed at the Peregrine Systems U.S. Open at Stanford in the 1500 meters where he ran 3:42.70, the third fastest high school performance ever for the metric mile ... California state champion in the 1600 meters during his senior season with a state record time of 4:02 ... had the #2 high school time in the U.S. in the 1600 meters at 4:00.52 ... The National Scholastic mile champion in his junior season at 4:06 ... Also won the state title during his junior season in the two-mile at 8:55.03 ...the California state cross country champion during his junior and senior seasons at Big Bear High School ... Finished third at the Footlocker Nationals in Orlando during his senior season. Wife Sara Bei-Hall is also a competitive runner, who placed 26th in the 4 km race at the 2006 World Cross Country Championships. The Halls are active with charitable groups such as Team World Vision. They worked on a campaign in 2008 entitled, “More Precious than Gold,” that raised nearly a million dollars to help bring clean water wells and irrigation systems to poor communities in Zambia.

#51	Ryan's Fun November 9 at 3:21pm Ryan most to train with Alberto Salazar reply
#50	Allen Wagner November 9 at 1:45pm Great race Ryan you ran great on a hard course. You have many good years ahead of you and you'll have your day and run incredibly fast and win a major! reply
#49	Newyork November 6 at 7:57pm And anyone has the balls to race the way you race and take a chance then you can take flak from them AFTER they run to third and fourth in two of the World's most presdigious marathons. Keep up the good work reply
#48	Newyork November 6 at 7:51pm the course record is 2:07 high and Tergat has never gone under 2:10 on it. This course is slow man. If anyone 2:06 here they could run 2:02 in London reply
#47	Bryant Shook November 3 at 7:25pm I am a huge fan of Ryan, and I think he just needs to remember that God gave him a gift. I may seem disappointing, but God will bless Ryan in his own time. Remember to stay strong in tough times. Congrates to all Americans!! reply
#46	Anthony Nuccio November 3 at 6:50pm I'm a big fan of Ryan, but I have to say, he needs to stop focusing on thew past. Sure, he didn't do as well as he wanted to at Boston but at least he gave it an effort. He just needs to start putting all of us effort into his races. Sure the conditions weren't ideal, but he still finished 4th. I love ya Ryan, just keep your head up and keep on running. reply
#45	Anonymous Coward November 3 at 12:21pm Recently one of the running magazines ran a story about Ryan, and the title of the article was something like, "Ryan Hall: He's awesome, but will he ever win?" And my response was/is: I don't care if he's never the first one to cross the line. To my mind, he is a champion; an amazingly talented and inspiring runner who's brought U.S. running so, so far. I know that's prolly not enough for him; I know he wants to win. But I'm just saying that to me, his place in running history is secure. reply
#44	Iowa XC November 3 at 10:14am I'm very similar to Ryan with the whole "sitting off of the back of the pack" method, it really does seem like you are more apt to be dropped. This interview really helps me realize that it happens at almost all levels. reply
#43	Brandon Spalding November 2 at 5:53pm No worries Ryan, you will do great in the spring! reply
#42	Run The Race W/ Perserverance November 2 at 5:09pm joe jr said: “I'd love to see Ryan run up to his potential. He could have, and should have, been with the leaders in both Boston and NY, and he's said it. He's been doing more training at even higher altitudes the past year and a half, and that doesn't seem to be agreeing with him, at least in his racing. He has come down from altitude to run cross country, some 10k and 15k races, and his last three marathons, and each time he was saying he was in fantastic shape, according to his training. Each time he ran a disappointing time (even according to him). He was getting all sorts of hype because he was talking American records and PB's, yet he was struggling and not winning. Ryan does a lot of training at SLOWER than his real race pace at 7000+ feat. His BIG tempo run a few weeks a go was at 5 min/mile pace, which is only 2:11 pace. That was the FASTEST he's gone for anything long. Maybe you can't always run 15-20 seconds/mile SLOWER than race pace and expect everything to click when you go down to sea level. Last month, when he visited NY, he went for a hard 10 mile tempo on part of the course, and once again he ran significantly SLOWER than he was expecting. He couldn't even break 5 mins/mile! Dathan had the same problem when he ran at Altitude in Boulder. Now that he's doing faster stuff and sea level, he's become a new runner. I fear that Ryan might continue to underachieve, unless he makes some major changes in his training and race prep, beyond just running closer to the lead, like he mentioned. If he thinks that's the only problem, I don't see him winning any time soon. Maybe Alberto will be getting another thoroughbred in his stable soon....” Doesn't Meb train at altitude? He has done ok with an olympic silver and NY win on Sunday. What Ryan should do is to keep learning from races, puttin the work in, and aiming for his goals. reply
#41	J. A. Cisneros November 2 at 4:30pm Great interview, your an inspiration Ryan keep it up! reply
#40	John Desrosiers November 2 at 3:06pm Thanks for being candid Ryan and not pretending like you aren't bummed about missing your goal. I'm looking forward to finding out about the changes you decide on and the ensuing result. Keep the faith and keep running fast. Flotrack: Thanks for more awesome coverage. Please follow up with some of these top 10 guys when they start up training for their next races. reply
#39	PJ November 2 at 12:21pm Ryan is a good guy...he has good reason to have high expectations and it must hurt to come up short. Thanks to Ryan and Flotrack for doing this interview. Flotrack, if you get another interview can you ask what was happening behind the lead pack from mile 19 and on? We got Jorge's take, it would be nice to hear what Ryan saw & thought back there reply
#38	Meb's Faith & Dedication November 2 at 12:04pm Flotrack should do some videos about Meb's Faith, Perseverance and Dedication like the many they have done for Ryan Hall. It's only fair considering Meb won an Olympic Silver medal in the Marathon, suffered through injury and emerged victorious at the NYC Marathon. This is an AMAZING comeback story !!!! reply
#37	Anonymous Coward November 2 at 10:47am Push ups are the answer!! Start off with...... oh, let's say 100, as quick as you can. reply
#36	William November 2 at 10:14am Ryan, You won Philly back in September. Think of the everyday folks who would love to have a time like you did. Keep it up man. Your an inspiration to a lot of people. reply
#35	Victor LeMay November 2 at 10:11am I say go to London or Berlin next time and get an AR and probably the win. fast courses suit Hall well. He's a BA. I'd also like to see him on the track sometime, just because it would be cool. reply
#34	Foster November 2 at 9:54am Ryan, You have nothing to be ashamed of. It wasn't your day. It was Meb's day. Even your greatest triumph will be overshadowed by the awesome eternal perspective that you possess in Christ. You inspire us, humble brother! reply
#33	MikeyB November 2 at 7:44am 2:10 most days in NY would win, not a easy course just ask the other favorites!...great job Ryan reply
#32	Porcupine November 2 at 6:21am The comments about Hall's altitude training and relative lack of speed are right on the money. In all his races he is fast and smooth, but seems to lack the ability to go to another gear and really crank up the leg speed. I think if it had been Hall instead of Meb racing for the win over the last two miles we might not have had an American winner. reply
#31	Leo November 2 at 1:09am We are cheering for you! reply
#30	Sore Loser November 2 at 1:01am Ryan Hall is funny, he has good comedy timing. One day soon he is going to smoke everybody, just wait... reply
#29	West Coast November 2 at 12:46am he should see a nutritionist, maybe his nutrition is poor reply
#28	Mike Higgins November 1 at 11:59pm Ryan ran a great race nonetheless, and I, and everyone else knows that he is possible of running a way greater race. It is difficult for Ryan to go through but at the same time, his disappointment is a way of letting all us "average" runners fell in the same realm. We all have bad races, and sometimes they are the most important ones. Seeing Ryan struggle today brings us all back to earth; that anyone (even a guy who runs 150 plus or minus miles a week) can go up to the line with all the confidence, which I know Ryan did, and not succeed. There is always another race, and another opportunity to shin. Never give up Ryan, we look up to you. reply
#27	Hall Fan November 1 at 11:52pm Well done. Your day will come. Keep the faith. reply
#26	Joe Jr November 1 at 11:32pm I'd love to see Ryan run up to his potential. He could have, and should have, been with the leaders in both Boston and NY, and he's said it. He's been doing more training at even higher altitudes the past year and a half, and that doesn't seem to be agreeing with him, at least in his racing. He has come down from altitude to run cross country, some 10k and 15k races, and his last three marathons, and each time he was saying he was in fantastic shape, according to his training. Each time he ran a disappointing time (even according to him). He was getting all sorts of hype because he was talking American records and PB's, yet he was struggling and not winning. Ryan does a lot of training at SLOWER than his real race pace at 7000+ feat. His BIG tempo run a few weeks a go was at 5 min/mile pace, which is only 2:11 pace. That was the FASTEST he's gone for anything long. Maybe you can't always run 15-20 seconds/mile SLOWER than race pace and expect everything to click when you go down to sea level. Last month, when he visited NY, he went for a hard 10 mile tempo on part of the course, and once again he ran significantly SLOWER than he was expecting. He couldn't even break 5 mins/mile! Dathan had the same problem when he ran at Altitude in Boulder. Now that he's doing faster stuff and sea level, he's become a new runner. I fear that Ryan might continue to underachieve, unless he makes some major changes in his training and race prep, beyond just running closer to the lead, like he mentioned. If he thinks that's the only problem, I don't see him winning any time soon. Maybe Alberto will be getting another thoroughbred in his stable soon.... reply
#25	L November 1 at 10:51pm Keep your head up Ryan - keep working hard and you've got a win coming! A disappointing day, but your fans are still rooting for you. reply
#24	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 10:44pm Anonymous Coward said: “ryan hall has to be oe of my least favorite runners...” Haha!! Why? Because you will never be as fast or get a 4th place finish in a major marathon? reply
#23	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 10:41pm Matt H said: “total d bag. always prayin and all this bs. not workin out on prayin and stuff.” Matt, just because Ryan didn't get a win today does not mean he hasn't been blessed by god. Look at the great things this young man has already done and the great things he has done outside of running through his faith and with god help. Ryan feels his faith is a big part of his training and success and who could argue? Ryan is a great young man and deserves much more repect than some people are giving him. I personally am ashamed that some people in the distance running community could be so hateful about Ryans performance today. reply
#22	Eric November 1 at 9:52pm All the hateful comments are rather immature. Ryan obviously is going to be upset about his performance when he had a different result in mind. I haven't run a marathon yet so I can't relate but i'm sure that after six months of preparation and planning, it hurts to not meet your goals. He has the right attitude and fitness to win these races, feel as if people put too much pressure on Ryan. USA is plentiful with talent but for some reason feels the need to dump all the pressure on Ryan's shoulders. God bless reply
#21	Roman November 1 at 9:45pm Is it me or he's suffering from the two marathons a year bug? Hall's an awesome runner, but his current schedule is the fastest way to get stale and slow. The man needs to get out on the track or start running some shorter distances in between his marathons. reply
#20	Andy November 1 at 9:37pm it was windy for everyone reply
#19	Mr. Obvious November 1 at 8:46pm I thought Hall was going to win it when I saw him catch up after the First Street hill; he'd been tucked the entire race and was looking almost as smooth as Meb did in the last mile. Ryan seems oblivious to his problem, but it seems pretty obvious that he constantly lets the race get away from him. He races like he's soloing a time trial and Zeus willing, the leaders will keel over and he'll win. He just doesn't seem to have that racer's edge reply
#18	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 8:20pm Hey Lay of Matt! your the d bag. When you train as hard as he has and are as good as he is then you want to win. Lay of about the christianity, he can do what he wants. Good Job Ryan you'll get them soon enough. reply
#17	Sweet November 1 at 8:08pm he doesnt hype himself up at all!! the blogs are all over him. ryan's a classy guy. reply
#16	NOVA November 1 at 7:23pm You're a monster Ryan. Keep workin' it! reply
#15	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 7:13pm Lots of wind doesn't suit your running style? Wind doesn't suit anyone's style reply
#14	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 7:10pm What a sore loser and complainer. Lost a lot of respect for him. reply
#13	Matt H November 1 at 7:00pm total d bag. always prayin and all this bs. not workin out on prayin and stuff. reply
#12	Look At Meb November 1 at 6:42pm meb said he wanted to win NY in his first try- but it has taken him many years- you can do it too- its not going to come easy- but it will be sweet when it does- have patiences reply
#11	Shookie November 1 at 6:25pm looks like he caught the scott bauhs flu, i believe the sympotoms include: talking mad smack about how fast you are going to run, and running like a straight b i t c h when it counts... thats a shame :( fortunately there is a cure. reply
#10	Distance Fan November 1 at 5:43pm Run this marathon 5 times and you could get 5 different winners. So much depends upon the pace of the lead pack. Fast, slow even pace, variable surges, all affect the performances of the runners and their present conditioning. It seems that the best marathoners can adapt to whatever pace is thrown down while still running within themselves. Also I think New York would be a hard marathon to win on your first attempt due to the difficulty of the course. reply
#9	Harry X November 1 at 5:30pm he said a lot of people gave him flack for taking the lead in boston? who are these people? i doubt people he knows were ragging on him. he must have been reading some of the internet message boards. some d-bags can really bring ya down. i'd like to see ryan jump on a track for a fast 5k or mile. just to run super fast and blow all the cobwebs out. reply
#8	Firleand November 1 at 4:17pm The Marathon will make even the best in the world humble. Ryan great job! reply
#7	TJ November 1 at 3:44pm I don't think it's Ryan who's overhyping his performances, it's Runner's World and other media outlets like them. Blond kid from California sells more magazines than an Eritrean immigrant. Now if only he ran for Nike too... reply
#6	Padma Lakshmi November 1 at 3:40pm It is great that Americans are now disappointed with a 4th place finish. Ryan is only 26 or 27 and he will have his day in the sun. reply
#5	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 3:32pm Ryan hall needs to stop overhyping his performances and let the running do the talking. reply
#4	Mandobizar November 1 at 3:28pm Hall made tactical mistakes. He could run with these guys any day but he has to stay with the leaders if he wants a shot at the win. Learn from your mistakes and come back next year. reply
#3	Oregon Project? November 1 at 3:26pm How long before he moves on from Mahon? reply
#2	Anonymous Coward November 1 at 3:13pm ryan hall has to be oe of my least favorite runners... reply
#1	Peter Smith November 1 at 3:06pm Those who give you flack for running at or near the front are those who can't and haven't. Your day WILL come. God bless! reply

Ryan Hall disappointed after a 4th place finish at the ING NYC Marathon

Ryan Hall speaks after his fourth place finish at the ING New York City Marathon. Ryan was disappointed because he felt he let an opportunity slip through his fingers.
November 1, 2009

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Ryan Hall disappointed after a 4th place finish at the ING NYC Marathon

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