York HS Workout : Speakers & Interviews

For most top USA HS XC runners they should run 70-80 miles max. I looked in Joe Newton's book and the first 2 weeks they do close to 115 miles a week and then run 85ish for most of the season then droping to 40-45 miles a week. Look at the Dettman twins, they are doing nothing at UO. Don'g forget Joe Newton is much like Mark Wetmore, Tom Heath, Eddie Matters, Mike Gavlin all strong belivers in Lydiard. The good coaches are guys like Frank Horwill, Jack Daniels and Brad Hudson. Not to take away from what Joe Newton is doing.

yeah, BTurn, but the kinda of speedwork they (and we) do/did is not truly very effecient training. its the eggs against the wall technique. high school ESPECIALLY ought to be more about building volume and working on aerobic threshold. the types of workouts done in some of these programs are very outdated and are classic overtraining. You don't have to dip that deep into the well on workouts...in fact, you shouldn't, with how much high school kids race.

Please. What is the song please?

JJ, what do you consider a hard workout for high school guys? I was in York's conference in high school, and they are not the only team that does 12x800s or 24x400s. I realize I wasn't averaging the same times as Tom and Steve in the video above for my 15 miles on a trail run or 6 miles on the track, but to be a top high school program, especailly in Illinois, you have to be running more than 3 miles a day.

I you look at Joe Newton's training book they do 115 miles a week in the first two weeks then go down to 80-85 miles a week. An ex: of one day is a 3 mile warm up/ 10x100m strides/12x800m/1x300m full out/3 mile cool down/10-24x100m strides. They do 15 mile long runs and touch on speed ever day. Another work out is 24x400m!

your right who knows maybe most could do workout if they did what they do but at the same time if they want to prime in high school then so be it.

I am not telling them to not build their aerobic engine. I am saying that 80-100 miles a weeks is to high for a high school kid. You can build a pretty strong aerobic base for a 5k off 60 miles a week, which based off of talking to a lot of high school and college coaches they think that, that is probably the max that a high school athlete should do.
Burn out is not always mental, there is a certain point where your body can not physically take the pounding anymore day in and day out if you accelerate your mileage to quickly. Freshman in high school 40 mile weeks should be fine. Sopre year 45-50, Junior year 50-55, senior year 55-60 mpw. If you train with the right intensity and workout type combined with the correct recovery, you can build a pretty decent base with out doing the damage that an 80-100 mile week does to a 16-17 year olds body.
But you can have you high school athletes run their 80-100 miles and every now and then they will go to college and actually do something, but I will guarantee you that there are more collegiate and professionals have better careers that were lower mileage in high school compared to higher.

So your telling high school athletes NOT build their aerobic engines? Burn out is not a physical issue, it is mental. Telling athletes not to develop high mileage is the same reason our performances declines for those some off years. Mileage is key.

The guy is referring to them going on to college and actually doing something. If you work to hard in high school, be it mileage or something else chances are your body will burn out. Meaning you wont perform to the level that you should based off your high school times. I know of 4 cases from the same school where the kids were state champions running 4:09 miles, 9:00 2 miles, and 14:50 CC 5k runners that go to college and don't get any better. Why? they were running 80-100 mile weeks continuously in HS, and there bodies work load had know where to go.

Do you have any idea about XC? these guys are amazing, it is horribly hard to run under 5:00 for a mile, they work hard, and if u can run better than them, then u can say anything u want.

Ritz, now 26, 12:56!

I'm new to Coach Newton's system, and frankly blown away by this legend nobody told me about. Everybody should learn from his example. Granted, i don't see any girls here... however these boys kick ass. Even their 5th guy the coach complains about ... =) aww, poor coach ... is kicking butt. 5x5 in only 5:00? Ok, the rest was 3min long but these are high school kids. I'd have given them 2:00. Go Pre !!!

This is very motivational. I bet many Marines can't run this much a day. No offense to the Marines of course.

the movie is fantastic

i can watch this all day

Sorry, I was reading through some of the older posts and saw that a couple of people had mentioned something along the lines of the fastest runners in high school always seem to burn out in college. I wasn't reffering to any of the comments pertaining to York in particular, just the older post that said that.

IN RESPONCE TO ANONYMOUS COWARD - People aren't saying good runners will burn out, they are saying overworked runners will blow out. Your examples of German Fernandez, Derrick, Puskedra were not overworked.

Alright, when everyone commenting on this says that, "everyone of the top runners in high school ends up burning out and ruining their college running careers," I really hope they are only reffering to York high in particular. Honesty, look at the top ten in the Footlocker XC race every year. Ritz won it two years in a row and then won the NCAA championships. Rupp Took second his senoir year with Mcdougal finishing fourth in the exact same race, both have won NCAA championships. There is a direct correlation between the top ten at Footlocker XC and All-American finshers in college. Honestly, look at German, Peskudra, and Derrick. They sure as hell haven't burnt out yet. 'Nuff said.

Seriously, I don't mean to keep posting stuff like this, but what is the name of this song. I honestly do not think this is Tiesto?

Come on guys...Peaking your senior year?

Men don't physically peak in high school, mentally they can burn out but physically...no.

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I've seen people that tried to do 20x800 workouts. Is that working too hard? But whatever York did only worked for so long because Alberquerque won NXN

That word that was edited out was supposed to be another word for a cat. You can figure it out.

To you guys who think they're working too hard, you are all a bunch of . You don't pamper every single runner you come across. These kids learn to race hard by training hard. If you train like a puss you'll race like a puss. Plain and simple.

lol cw-
lets name two people that performed sub par... that's not a generalization. don sage-NCAA champ in 1500, john fisher 2 time all american in j.college, mark fruin 14:0x 5k, nick kuzwera 4:10 mile indoors, mark sulkin 1:53.x 800 freshman, sean macnamera- all big ten xc 2nd in mile indoors. york sends almost double digits of highschoolers to college teams each year, so it's pretty easy to have a bunch of people that perform sub par when you have so many kids at the college level. and what about 30 kids running each year? haha where are you getting this info? i saw about 200 kids from york run at their conference meet last year

I don't know what all this talk about burnout is. First off, I have never heard of actually deffinate symptoms for the "burnout". To me it just seems like a lot of halabaloo about people not wanting to work hard. If you can race fast, you should do your workouts fast. And obviously if you can do a workout sub 4:50, why would you want to do a workout slower and feel you didn't get as much out of it? Secondly, if I were a coach, I wouldn't really care what my runners did after highschool. If i wanted to win, It would be preferred to "peak" them their senior year.

at 6:07 somebody runs across the line with a VALPO shirt on. Is that Valpo the valpo from Northwest Indiana over 50 miles away from Elmhurst?

No, Newton definitely burns out his runners. my whole family went to york. They start out with 200 strong and end up with about 30 guys because they wear out or they get hurt. And it's true, Newton works them so hard in high school, they will peak by their senior year and wont get any better. Take the dettmans for example

Coach Gaetano no i dont think ur runners can do it personally after looking at what runners can do there. I live i missouri and one of our runners went to cali and ran when he was there. He said it was so easy to breath compared to missouri. He runs a 4:32 mile and could easily run 15 seconds faster there. We and also runners in illinois like York train in humid weather and can easily be 2 of the hardest states to run in. So if ur runners can do it bring some York runners over to cali and see how much faster they can run there and how much slower your runners are.

Coach Gaetano no i dont think ur runners can do it personally after looking at what runners can do there. I live i missouri and one of our runners went to cali and ran when he was there. He said it was so easy to breath compared to missouri. He runs a 4:32 mile and could easily run 15 seconds faster there. We and also runners in illinois like York train in humid weather and can easily be 2 of the hardest states to run in. So if ur runners can do it bring some York runners over to cali and see how much faster they can run there and how much slower your runners are.

Yes, the man has been doing it for fifty years, and I enjoy watching York run, but the fact of the matter is that he is burning a lot of them out. I know that a lot of big schools are afraid of recruiting from York because its like buying a used car. They have had some runners exhibit success post-high school, but when you are running workouts like that before college, how much can you possibly improve from your high school times?

"Try to unlock your mind. No matter how fast you feel, you can do better" great quote by Newton

He's going to Minnesota.

sulkin just ran 9:01 where is he going to college

they are doing an astounding workout!! When people are saying that the coach is going to burn them out, i totally disagree. The man has been doing it for 50 years!! I cant imagine running that workout though.

theyre doing 1600's, not miles?

What tiesto song is this?

what a terrific coach, legend, that team is amazing

yea im in the same conference as them and they kick our butts every year because their coach is really good so hes not killing his kids. One of our distance runners who graduated last year runs with a kid from york and he is still really fast.

GO PROVISO WEST!!

anonymous coward he has been coaching for 50 years I think he knows what he's doing.

yeah becuase there guna have any legs after highschool is over shame on that coach for killing his kids like that

i could not do a workout like this and im a freshman in college

Amy--it was Chris Derrick you saw at East Peoria sectioanls. His winning time was 14:26, not 13:26.

OPRF!!!!

I was scanning through some comments at the bottom and some dude made a dumbass post about how they looked neither controlled nor relaxed. Who the hell is relaxed with running 5 x 1 mile at this kind of pace? Especially high schoolers! And I thought they looked very controlled. Great video.

The movie The Long Green Line has now been released. It's for sale on DVD at longgreenlinemovie.com. It's really great.

Very informative as a coach I was always interested in other coaches philosophy, tough workout, I wonder how often it's done? Like the 12x880? These may be the 2 killer workouts during the season, when it's an off week with no races, so it can be a race like effort, the kids know the workout is coming they are up for it and ready. Bottom line Coach Newton, has had tremondous success, some athletes have gone on and done better, and others have not, just like most programs.

Regardless of what people may think, if so many of Men of York have "burnt out" (whatever they actually means) in college, it is amazing how many of them come back and bash on Mr. Newton for wasting their time and talent in HS on meaningless things such as winning state titles, working hard, team commarderie, developing integrity, being loyal to others, etc. Oh wait...I have never heard one former York running publically say anything negetive about Mr. Newton. Maybe they aren't so torn up about their HS experience as some of you guys are.

where did u get/see the movie at?

I just saw the movie this past weekend and as awesome as this clip is it shows NOTHING of how great this team really is and the fantastic enviroment that surrounds it...which is obviously key to success in a team oriented sport.

Newton is a stud, period. He knows what it takes to motivate an athlete. He teaches them how to use running and apply it in life. He transforms boys into men. Let it be the slowest kid or the fastest...he makes that athlete feel apart of the team.
By far the greatest mens high school program there is.

I can't imagine doing that workout.

12 halves is ridiculous

13:26 would have easily beaten Derricks time at state, I'm sure you mean 14:26. But yeah, these guys make doing mile repeats a lot easier than they are.

I remember at sectionals in Illinois, one guy ran a 13:26 in the 3 mile last year. he was in 3A but it was so unrealistic when i saw him run through the finish line. it was at east peoria.

so many great quotes in such a short time from Mr Newton

I counted and York had 18 guys running in college last year. 18!!! That is more than most schools have on their high school cross country team. So much for burnout. I would like anyone to name another high school that has 18 guys running in college.

Neuqua Valley will not disappear into oblivion. They will be a force to be reckoned with for many years to come. As for York kids burning out, that's baloney. Success in college is a choice to train and make the sacrifices necessary to succeed. It has nothing to do with 'pushing too hard' in high school. It's more about the motivation to continue to train hard.

3 minute recovery! that is nuts that can't be good for those kids, I don't mean high School wise I mean the titles speak for themselves, but college I mean how much can these16-18 year olds take

4.36 last mile! wow

(Pete Cioni 1:57.2, Pete Stasiulis 1:56.4, Tim Hobbs 1:55.6, Donald Sage 1:53.5)
3200m Run
4 x 800.......7:42.67.......York, Elmhurst, Illinois....................................Hillside, Illinois.........3/24/00
IHSA —8:42.89 (FAT), Donald Sage, Elmhurst (York), 2000 (finals)
Maybe this guy isn't preparing these kids for college as much as he is preparing them for the real world, or maybe just high school records....
Most Consecutive State Titles
Most State Titles
National Indoor 4x800 record
[1.] 26, Elmhurst (York), 1962, 1965, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1978AA, 1980AA, 1981AA, 1982AA, 1983AA, 1984AA, 1986AA, 1989AA, 1990AA, 1991AA, 1992AA, 1993AA, 1994AA, 1999AA, 2000AA, 2002AA, 2003AA, 2004AA, 2005AA, 2006AAA,
[1.] 6, Elmhurst (York), 1989AA, 1990AA, 1991AA, 1992AA, 1993AA, 1994AA
[1.] 6, Elmhurst (York), 2002AA, 2003AA, 2004AA, 2005AA, 2006AA, 2007AA
[2.] 5, Eureka, 1998A, 1999A, 2000A, 2001A, 2003A,
[3.] 5, Elmhurst (York), 1980AA, 1981AA, 1982AA, 1983AA, 1984AA
[4.] 3, Winnebago, 2002A, 2005A, 2007A
[4.] 4, Paris, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
enough said.
regardless of how much you bash him his records speak for himself...

definitely, he probably starts recruiting from grammar school. He has his top varsity guys running probably 80mi/week or more. That's probably not health considering these kids just began running several years before and are still growing. In august their first workout for everyone new or returning is 20 by 400m, so I guess you find out the talent right their. Who does that as their first workout! No wonder why these kids quit after high school, buy hey, championships do talk, count em 26 at York in XC alone.

he is CRAZY!! It does not take all that he is going to burn these kids out and they are not even that old!!! This doesn't make any since, when you even turn pro you don't do that much. Know if they do like some 800 work that's ok but man i tell you this doesn't make any sense. Also he is not making there time any better. They are suppose to be low 4 minutes so he is not making them better at all.

I don't see any of these guys winning national titles in track or even in cross country (besides one Nike team)... I'm not an expert, but in my opinion he's pushing these kids too hard for being what, 16-18 years old at max?

I'm no where near york and coach newton but I have read a few books and seen some videos and I do coach in another state. It looks as if there are a lot of jealous guys here. To be the best you've got to train like the best, maybe thats why his kids have won 26 state championships.

sulkin will be the next York guy to watch out for next year. He came in third at the state 3200 running a time of 9:12.

yo whats the name of that song? Just saying the artist doesnt really narrow it down

some of the faster guys have run low 4:20's and 4 teens in the mile. And to Spreitz...its their decision to be part of the program, with the way they run, they have to love running.

What about Don Sage? Great Miler

what do you think their prs are in the mile

one more thing, if you say they arent going to get burnt out. That wasnt even the hardest workout. 12 by the 800 is 12 by 8!!!

no way those kids can handle that kind of pressure day in day out from that old man

i am glad my coach doesnt try to squeeze every ounce of energy in my workouts

omg people stop asking for the name of the song and actually read the description!!

whats the song, someone must know

i think its showing a clip from earlier in the movie

Does anyone know the name of the techno song on the video (following the song by dire straits)?

notice on the start of mile 3 "red" has his shirt off and then it cuts to him having it on right after...hmmmmm

what is the name of the techno song

I hope the artist to this song has a copyright...the chorus is definately from money for nothing by dire straits.

what is the music tot he techno song

amazing!! nice job guys

does anyone know the name of this song?

haha to everyone who dissed Neuqua Valley.

Does anyone know the specific name(s) of the song(s) used in this video? I want to download.
Thanks

what is the name of this song?

Unfortunately, Joe Newton and York did not win their 27th State title -- Neuqua Valley won this year.

donald sage..training for the olympics right now..but im sure the olympics is for people who are burned out and dead from a 4x1 mile workout that they probally do once every month..and before meets taht matter start to happen

plus i heard 8 guys under 10 minutes for a 2 mile time trial a few days ago...but they are still tired from this workout i bet

Mr. Newton is truly a gentleman and a fantastic coach ! Great music for the video. All the best to Elmhurst York in achieving a 27th state title on Nov 3.

Great work coach! Good luck!
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anyone who says mr. newton isnt a great man has obviously never ment him. If you r going to judge someone you better know them personally first. Also all these workouts are recommened by doctors and BENEFICAIL

I raced against them in St. Charles and in Peoria. They were good but...they did better last year. Nequia Valley is what im voting for. :)

I raced against them in St. Charles and in Peoria. They were good but...they did better last year. Nequia Valley is what im voting for. :)

Newton is GOD!

that music was intense

I'm sure there are other teams out there who could duplicate this same work out I know a couple for sure and for everyone who is sayin there runners didn't get faster in college it isn't cause they got burnt...the runners who do such low mileage and still run fast do that off of pure talent then when they get into college they improve a lot because they respond to real training. The other guys still run faster in college then they would have if they ran less mileage in high school its just that they don't improve as much.

Robb Van Wyck - Yorks runners stack up against any teams anywhere in the US. There are a lot of factors that go into these national competitions. Evan Jager was clearly one of the top 5 individuals in the country last year and had a bad race at the regional. You can make stupid remarks like where did so and so end up in the national picture last year that really don't determine the quality of a team. Year in and year out they develop talent. How about your team? Do they do it every year? I didn't think so! Happy living BRO!

Robb Van Wyck - Yorks runners stack up against any teams anywhere in the US. There are a lot of factors that go into these national competitions. Evan Jager was clearly one of the top 5 individuals in the country last year and had a bad race at the regional. You can make stupid remarks like where did so and so end up in the national picture last year that really don't determine the quality of a team. Year in and year out they develop talent. How about your team? Do they do it every year? I didn't think so! Happy living BRO!

looks like we have alot of people who think they could coach better than Newton.

Where did York end up in the national picture last year?

Only a bunch of high school punks would be nothing but a jealous idiots!

You know what Nequa Valley has a really good team and maybe the win state (provided the pressure doesn't get to them). The reality is that even if Nequa Valley wins state they will probably disappear into oblivion never to be heard from again. Try realing off 26 and 5 in a row or 6 in a row. The bottom line is that York does it year in a year out. That my friends is coaching. Winning one is just having the right talent all together at the right time. Winning as much as York has is much more than that and if they haven't won in the last 20 years they have pretty much been top 3.

wow u guyz are so ignorant.
after what you have just seen do u think that you have the proof to back up ur claims that so and so is going to win state?

i dont see flotrack making any workout vidoes on nequa valley

Who cares if he said they have no fifth runner, if its the truth then it needs to be said. That is the problem with all the new coaches these days, they are too worried about hurting ones feelings. Well, if everyone would just suck it up and accept the truth then we'd be better off. My high school coach, winner of numerous state titles told the team the truth, and we were better off for it.

Too bad Nequa is gonna beat their ass!! Hah!

"york's best runner, mcnamara who got 12th at footlocker is currently less than impressive at michigan. oh yeah... and he got injured"
He is not injured from running too much in HS. That is a very ignorant observation. The more an athlete runs in HS, the better off he will be in college. Period. Listen to Steve Scott talk sometime about mileage.

We only do 3x mile too. I just think that their coach is pushing them too hard in high school. They may not burn out but that seems to me they do more college(8k-10k)training. Also how can Coach Newton say they have no fifth runner? thats kinda mean if you ask me.

In my school we only do 3x1mile and were ranked 2nd in state

"Dathan Ritzenhein 14:26. Bob Kennedy 14:59"
Bob kennedy- 12:58 Dathan Ritzenhein-????
"Just because you ran fast in high school dosen't mean you can't run fast in college. Its up to the kids to keep up the training, as long as they don't get injured they will be fine..."

york's best runner, mcnamara who got 12th at footlocker is currently less than impressive at michigan. oh yeah... and he got injured

ballin workout, ETA for "the long green line"??

Burnt out? There is no such thing. It is a myth-like many others in running. It is all physiological. If someone says a runner is "burnt out" at the end of the season, it's because he needs more recovery and less races for a little while. The suggestion that these kids burn out in HS and have nothing left for running after HS has no validity. It has not been proven by any amount of research. You want to burn out? Go get some cigarettes.

You said: "440 yard track is basically the same thing as 400 meters. The only thing it changes is the fact that they run a full mile. its like 2 meters longer a lap" You are correct...to be exact, the difference between 440 yds. & 400 meters is 7 feet - 8 inches with 440 yds. longer than 400 meters. In other words, add 30 feet 8 inches to 4 laps of a 400 meter track to get 1-mile....about 10 yds.

I think what York has done is utterly amazing. There is not another team like them anywhere in the country. Newton is a legend. I admire what those guys do and I am amazed at all the haters out there. I'm rootin for York. I think it would be amazing if they could pull this one off. There have been so many times when it appeared that York was down for the count and then all of a sudden here they come baby. LIKE A BIG GREEN HORNET. ARRAARHHGHGH!

Hey Coach Gaetano - YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Whatever dude! There isn't a team in california that could do that. PERIOD!!!

So he has HS kids doing college level workouts. Of course he will max out results and bring many kids to their potential AT THAT AGE. But very few of them will survive this and go on to later improvement. So one has to ask, is it wrong of him to tap out the very few top level talents who come his way at the expense of most all of the others? If his job is to win state titles fine. But if his job is also to develop all kids in the best possible way then he is no doubt harming many.

440 yard track is basically the same thing as 400 meters. The only thing it changes is the fact that they run a full mile. its like 2 meters longer a lap.

you guys are obviously uninformed or just jealous, fyi don sage, york graduate, who ran this same workout when he was in highshcool went to standford and went on to be an NCAA champ in the 1500, beating out alan webb, and if you ask where sage is now, he did not burn out, he decided to pursue another career. these boys just pay the price to be great plain and simply, and i do not go to york for whoever made that comment about only york guys are defending themselves

yeah.. all runners should go by reebok's slogan. "run easy" guys that's the only way to win. obviously running hard doesn't win you anything.

Talk about old school: a 440 yard track? Too cool...

its funny when the york kids are prolyl the only ones defending themselfs

I'd like to see what these guys run 2 or 3 years from now. They'll be burnt out.

I like how you dorks are criticizing the best of the best...who said it was "too hard"?...hahaahahahahahhaha- what an IDIOT!!!!!...number one reason you stink...too hard...HAAHAHAHAHAH

Way to disprove yourself Anonymous by showing Ritzenhein's time is 30 seconds faster than kennedy's time. Ritzenhein ran 90 miles a week.

Some tough kids doing a tough workout.

Isnt this workout too hard for low 15 runners?

"but he has a responsibility of preparing his guys for college and the rest of their running carriers."

I disagree with this. He only has a responsibility to win at his level. What happens after that is up to myriad factors. Are you suggesting that a 17 year old's body will break down due to too much running?
Better do some research. Bob Kennedy is one exception to high mileage.

Wait, let me get this straight, if you dont break 5 you are out of the workout?

my team in central cali could easily do this.... maybe even with eyes closed!

wow.... this is fake!!

i would die if i do it! =X

achtien hasn't progressed that much in a year given he did the same session at this time last year with an average of 4.46

achtien hasn't progressed that much in a year given he did the same session at this time last year with an average of 4.46

Mr. Newton is amazing. He's a good friend of my coach Harry Schneider and we got to watch a home movie of a speech he gave at a running camp. He is so inspirational. Good luck to the team this year!

Neuqua Valley will win the state title this year and Naperville North will come in second.

Whoa that is crazy, I tell ya...

wow thats ridiculous

emperorpenguin
"Isn't it a little late in the season for mile repeats? in high school the lower mileage the better. for example... bob kennedy won footlocker (then Kinney) on no more than 35 miles a week."

Dathan Ritzenhein 14:26. Bob Kennedy 14:59.

Just because you ran fast in high school dosen't mean you can't run fast in college. Its up to the kids to keep up the training, as long as they don't get injured they will be fine...

Riley,
how is that relevant to Illinois?

Decatur Illinois FTW

I dont think they looked like they were laboring like some of you are saying.. i thought they looked pretty relaxed for the most part.. and newton wasnt encouraging them to race in practice he was just trying to pump them up for the workout.. he obviously knows what hes doing.. id say the 26 state titles speak for themselves.

talk about mortgaging your future. Obviously this coach does a great job of winning in HS, but he has a responsibility of preparing his guys for college and the rest of their running carriers. Sure these kids are running fast time now, but lets see them in a couple years. He is yelling at his kids to race the workout, that wasnt a hard day that was a race day.

where are all of these great runners from this school after high school? hurt, burnt out? More often than not, the "outstanding" high school distance runners turn into nothing passed high school cause they overtrained in high school and have nothing left, or just dont get any better. Remember Melody Fairchild?

hey hey hey!

Strenuous workouts have their place. For example, Kim McDonald would have Bob Kennedy do 5x800 (w/ 2 min. rec.) as fast as he could and still finish the session. Check it out: http://www.duathlon.com/articles/215

well mayb they do theirs a little bit faster overall as a team wow great stuff

They do their intervals around the same as ours for Murrieta Valley XC

how old are they?

how old are they?

did anyone else notice how at the start of the 3rd mile "red" didn't have a shirt on and then the first shot of them running that mile he did?? lol!

I love the football game in the background... sweet.

pushing it too hard?? since when is averaging 4:45 in mile repeats for some of the top runners in the nation too much?? And they were not trying to run at 10k race pace. They were running 5k pace, as they should (they are training for a 3 mile race). 10k race pace for mile repeats when you're training for a 3 mile??? come on, thats too easy, and in no way would benefit them.

Hell I did a 6 x mile, and averaged 5:10 on cross country trails with about 3:45 rest. And my 5k PR is 15:54.

Now I don't know York's training that well, but I'm sure they're smart about it. Take the easy days easy and make the hard days hard. That day was a hard day.

lol someone thew a shocker in the warm up

Nice music, sounded like a fruity disco.

the one is money for nothing... by dire straits.. ne one know the other??

"your screwed" well put

Achtein went sub 9 or right around 9 in track for the 3200 last season. Sulkin ran like 14:42 for 3 miles xc at the state meet....York will most likely not win state this year

I think those guys are pushing it too hard (keeping in mind that this would be their 10k race pace). And I very sure no one of that is able to run around 30 minutes. Running a little slower would probably help them more.

Yea what are the names of those songs?

In response to oregonguy comments on mr. newton.
Mr. newton is not ragging on the fifth man for the work out he is trying to motivate him. Mr. newton know that the fifth man will go home and watch this video and see what he said. He will see the comment "if you fifth guy has a bad day and is back in the 100's, you're screwed." the fifth man will realize how important he is and he will try to answer the call of doubt mr. newton has in him. Mr. Newton is uses this workout to motivate the fifth man to be better.

gosh running with that many guys makes running too easy
but ... what i would give to be able to actually have guys to push with in a workout...

anyone kno the name for the song in this

what do these kids run for pr's (track)?

What a comment: "You don't win state titles with your 1 and 2 guys, you iwn state titles with your number 5." And: "if your top guys have bad days, you lose one or two points, if your 5 guy has a bad day and is back in the 100s, you're screwed."

He was ragging on his 5th man! Holy crap, if my coach was that much of a **** to our team I would hate him! I understand that he didn't do as well as he would have liked him to, but it's what he's got and he needs to work with him instead of just saying that he needs someone else to step up. And you do have to keep in mind that this is on the track, but those splits with only 3 minute rests are pretty impressive.

And yeah, I think that these kids high school career just wears them out. I mean look at the Dettman twins from two years ago now at U of Oregon. They had some of the top 3 mile times in the nation and they've both gotten slower in college. Granted, there is a lot that goes into determining how fast you are in college but it just goes to show...

Amazing program!! coach Kern has some speed.

wow
those kids are in amazing shape that is a sick workout for there top 2

How many kids got to go to college bc of Joe Newton? If they were not at York they would not of gotten that chance. He gets the 9:45 guys to run 9:20 and go get an education. Should he baby the 9:45 guy so he has more potential his 5th year in college at some small school where he probably will quit before his senior year.
Bottom line he gets more out of his guys.

I run at a large d1 school and these guys are runnin as fast as our top guys...granted we dont do it on a track. But still that is ridiculous...Newton is so old school.

Isn't it a little late in the season for mile repeats? in high school the lower mileage the better. for example... bob kennedy won footlocker (then Kinney) on no more than 35 miles a week.

there is no way in hell that I could have done a workout like that in HS, but we all ran similar HS times. I think things like that are good for the moment but not for the long run, your are just going to ware you down.

I was impressed by this sessio so I checked Daniels' 'magic' table, and considering this as an 'interval' type of training (rest just under the time-run) it's just about 15'/5k pace in a race. That's pretty good for high school kids, but not that strange.

Also keep in mind, what do they do on other days? And also, they are in the mids of their xc season. It's one of their hardest training sessions of the season.

There's sort of a chicken and the egg reason for why York is such a powerhouse for the last, uh, 35 of 47 years. Once Newton established himself, EVERYONE started trying out for the team each year. Literally, 70% of the incoming freshman boys go out for cross country at York instead of football, soccer, or doing nothing.

This makes their team incredibly deep. I was one of the top runners at my school both my junior and senior year in a very competitive conference. If all the fast guys I knew quit soccer, football, or playing with themselves for cross country I would have been nowhere near the top 7 my senior year.

Granted, they train incredibly hard, but many other schools have adopted Mr. Newton's methods and mileage over the years. The other schools simply don't have the tradition to recruit the talent and depth they need to compete with York.

How do these guys not manage blowin out mentally or pysically over the years?

my high school's football team is in the background at 5:17. valpo is also the name of a local college.

We used to do 3xmile. I thought that was hard. Can anybody tell me why some of these guys are wearing my high school's shirt, "Valpo"?

People who are always knocking the York program should, sooner or later, figure out why the Dukes are ALWAYS in the hunt for the state title and are ALWAYS nationally ranked. There's a price that has to be paid to achieve that status....most who knock York aren't willing to pay that price! It's pure and simple!

they've had their fare share of good college xc runners.

anonymous,

Don't hate the player. He has had Olympians, NCAA Champs and multiple All-Americans. People love to hate but most of the kids he gets ti run fast would never have run that fast ever or got college scholarships.

don't try that at home kids...literally.

WOW, no wonder these guys run well in high school and terrible in college....they race the HELL out of their workouts. EX: First mile splits, 68, 75, 72, 74 and NONE of them looked relaxed or controlled!

Nice video. I would like to see more like this from the other national powerhouses such as Mead and The Woodlands. It's cool to see how these teams train.

Awesome!

That was a great video. Reminds me of the coach I had in High School.

This guy is the original baller. Go Illinois CC. Go Dukes. I want to see you guys in tuxes again.